FAM4: Thread 5 - Day 3

[Zugzwang]

idk if I’d say I know Ash (played 2 games w/ them) but you should read my ISO for my posts on them

[Meuh]

I played one singular game with him and it was not fun lol
It’s less meta but more the alignment of like, sure, Achro’s posts look like they could come from scum and I want him to be scum
It felt like Ari was approaching this from a similar angle which felt genuine and I’m not sure would be the angle scum would decide to approach Achro from

[neil_the_eel]

dont ask me to read your ISO, quote or linkj me the post bronano

[bystander]

neil who do i shoot during itas?

[neil_the_eel]

ok i will believe u belive this and take ari off the shotlist

[Meuh]

I had a useless ability and I remembered I had it and just threw it on Sadbi

[neil_the_eel]

why sabi tho

[Hallia]

They were squabbling

[neil_the_eel]

working on it

[Apocryphal]

Probably relatable

[Meuh]

Wait why though why would you trust me on this

[neil_the_eel]

because i can

[Meuh]

We were arguing and stuff
It’s a day ability btw I didn’t pick Sadbi at night

[Zugzwang]

here

ash posts

@Zugzwang

no

questioning was:

@Zugzwang

@Ash @May do you prefer the text or image based rolecards

(this is important)

@Ash

Text-based role cards are easier to parse, but image-base role cards are more interesting to share.

@Zugzwang

@Ash

Text-based role cards are easier to parse, but image-base role cards are more interesting to share.

which do you open when reading flips? @Ash

@Ash

The image-based first to see it, then the text-based one to understand what the role actually does.

@Zugzwang

nyaaaaaaaaaaa ok then how did you not realize you were a role until way later

@Ash

I didn’t open SPF’s role until later; I was mainly focused on Tutuu flipping mafia.

@Zugzwang

tutuu flipped mafia at eod1 though?

if you mean Silviu - yes, Silviu flipped mafia, but how do you know spf wasn’t also mafia

@Ash

I don’t remember, Zug; I just remember processing that SPF was town and then realizing that they were me when I went back to see what their role did.

basically, the idea is that w!Ash didn’t open the flips till later, because he knew the alignments. And then contradicted himself while trying to explain this

the explicit contradiction is that in the 3rd to last post, Ash says he didn’t open SPF’s flip until later
whereas in the last post he saw they were town (therefore opening the flip) and only saw their avatar later, when looking for what spf’s role was

@Zugzwang

@Dum

@Zugzwang

the explicit contradiction is that in the 3rd to last post, Ash says he didn’t open SPF’s flip until later
whereas in the last post he saw they were town (therefore opening the flip) and only saw their avatar later, when looking for what spf’s role was

[WOLFY POST COVER]
Devils advocate: It’s entirely possible ash thinks that’s what happened but actually did something else. I have been known to half hazardly skim flips and do bullshit like this and then look like an idiot later when it’s obvious my version of things (which im fucking convinced is true) makes no sense.
[WOLFY POST COVER]

yeah this is why I’m asking thread (rather than tunneling)
sometimes when digging deep enough into people’s actions, they’ll contradict themselves as town (this happened when I questioned Kii in Stellaris endgame)

If they did actually do this as town, I get the assumption they made here being possible:

@Ash

I understand the logic, and I don’t have much of a response to that aside from me just making an assumption about my logic based on remembering myself seeing SPF as town, then realizing they were me when I went back to read their role.

since, today, the alignments were on the outside of the flips.

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But also, that still leaves the fact that, if town, they opened the rolecard without noticing it was their own role. Even with bright blue pfp (though it is pretty small there. which is where a lot of my doubt rn is coming from)

Also, though they claim they were focused on tutuu (presumably intended to say silviu’s) wolf flip, they don’t say anything about that before going back to view the flips:

links

FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #13 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #23 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #53 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #74 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #106 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #117 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #180 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #199 by Ash
FAM4: Thread 3 - Day 2 - #221 by Ash
(looks at the roles before making the last post)

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idk how to read the fact they mixed up tutuu with silviu
I could see it as “W!Ash is flustered, and mixes something up as a result”
I can also see it as “T!Ash doesn’t remember which wolves died as well”

@Zugzwang

nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I have read too many Ash posts

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from Combinatorics mafia with W!Ash:

@Ash

Realizing now that Beancat was cleared D1. Me when game mechanics.

@Zugzwang

ok what
how do you miss that

@Ash

I do not know. I remember that the final vote changed between when I left and when I returned, but I can’t tell you off the top of my head what the D1 vote was.

in this last post there’s like. a certain tone there

Which feels like the tone here:

@Ash

I don’t remember, Zug; I just remember processing that SPF was town and then realizing that they were me when I went back to see what their role did.

And I don’t get this tone while looking over their posts in The Chancellor’s Palace (stellaris neighborhood with Me, Cape, and Ash, (and hosts)) where we me/cape were killing Ash.

And in the end of Ash’s posting in Stellaris’ main thread (ie, EOD3):

@Ash

@Zugzwang

we are never killing brad

Brad is mafia. I’m going to end up flipping town, and I need you all to kill him.

@Ash

He is. I am a one shot vig. He is an infinite vig. There is no way both of those abilities exists in the same game.

@Ash

May, listen to me.
If Cape is mafia, he will pick someone other than me and kill them in the night with a mafia pal.
In the morning, the gladiate will come down to the two of us, and we will flip town.
Gladiate Brad. When I flip town in the morning, we actually will be able to win.

these are the closest posts with a similar tone
but I still think they’re fairly distinct

The ones from here and Combinatorics, have like. A careful tone. It feels like Ash is trying and failing to walk on eggshells without breaking them

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other than that - Ash did post a lot less in Combinatorics when compared to Stellaris, but Ash was quite busy in Combinatorics so I don’t trust that

from first impressions (didn’t count things yet) - I get that Ash’s read density was higher in Stellaris than Combinatorics
though realistically I should be comparing Stellaris vs this game, again because of Ash’s business during Combinatorics

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ignoring meta for a bit

@Ash

Still trying to wrap my head around the fact that there’s, like, 18-20 wolves in this game.
Like, that’s an entire game worth of wolves in this one mash.

initially I felt this was fake, and therefore performative
but I can kinda see it as real

there’s… also actually an argument of “wow, there’s 18-20 wolves in this game, what are they all doing? why aren’t my wolfmates playing”
I think this is actually the best explanation

probably shooting him in ITAs

[Meuh]

I guess we take those!

[Yawn]

For only the low cost of you own life you may have mine.

We are in a good enough position that I don’t care too much.

[Zugzwang]

@neil_the_eel

bronano

male version of bronana??

[neil_the_eel]

ash/hazzy/lucid/meme/meuh
→
hazzy/lucid/meme/meuh/ash (kinda ordered)
v
thoughts now preffered on hazzy/lucid and i also remembered that carbonated exists

[carbonated]

hi i exist

[neil_the_eel]

ok i like your case you can shoot ash