FAM4: Thread 8 - Days 5&6 (TOWN IS VICTORIOUS)

[Millium]

@Meuh @selkie
Was nice playing with u both again ggs

[Achromatic]

[Apocryphal]

@an_gorta_slanktai

[nutella]

ggs

[FAMHost]

FAM 4: Battle for the Cookie Thread Day 6 Votecount

Votes	Wagon	Voters
5	an_gorta_slanktai	Kanave, Hallia, ElizaThePsycho, bystander, ash4fun
1	dyachei	an_gorta_slanktai
1	bystander	Ephemera
1	Ephemera	BradLand
4	Not Voting	dyachei, Jarek, Millium, Selkie
2	Unrecognized	neil_the_eel (for famhost), CarrotyReaper (for Unvote)

Raw VC for the plugin

an_gorta_slanktai (5): Kanave, Hallia, ElizaThePsycho, bystander, ash4fun
dyachei (1): an_gorta_slanktai
bystander (1): Ephemera
Ephemera (1): BradLand
famhost (1): neil_the_eel
Unvote (1): CarrotyReaper

Not Voting (4): dyachei, Jarek, Millium, Selkie

I’m a new bot, and I made this post. Please forgive any mistakes .
If you’re mean to me I WILL cry.

[Zugzwang]

nyaaaaaaaaaaa cookie thread Blue's Clues is over

[Gocj]

The d1 w on w snowballed everything

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

vanity search incoming

[Millium]

Was that the picture? Lmao

[ash4fun]

wait so were you haunting ppl’s rolecards?

[an_gorta_slanktai]

was this you?

i hate you

[Apocryphal]

Yeeeeeeeee

[Brakuren]

Gg I was katze

[Apocryphal]

<3

[FAMHost]

Remaining Role cards

an_gorta_slanktai was Town

Text-based rolecard

Mistyx
Town Kitsune

You are a member of The Joycat Nomads.

You are a Leader.

You begin the game with 1 Tail Charge.

Witch Animal
Passive
You are X times as likely to become the Leader of a Guild when randomness is involved where X is the number of Tail Charges you have. You cannot be recruited into a Guild while you are the member of a Guild. If you become the Leader of a Guild, you receive 3 Cookies.

Nine-Tailed Mistycism
Passive — Advantage Key
At the beginning of each Day, gain 1 Tail Charge. If your Guild has the Advantage, gain 2 instead. You may not have more than 9 Tail Charges. You gain the following effects based on the number of Tail Charges you have:

• 1: +1 Super Like.
• 2: +1 Vote Weight (lost during XYLO).
• 3: You receive 1 Cookie at the beginning of each Night.
• 4: +1 Super Like (+2 total).
• 5: You receive 1 Cookie point (2 total) at the beginning of each Night.
• 6: The first time an ITA shot would kill you (either via direct hit or reaching 0 HP) per Day, lose 1 Tail Charge instead. (This is resolved as “Miss!”).
• 7: You receive 1 Cookie (3 total) at the beginning of each Night.
• 8: +1 Super Like (+3 total).
• 9: +1 Vote Weight (+2 total, lost during XYLO).

Wish
Immediate Action — Unstoppable
Spend 9 Tail Charges to choose a role in the List of Vanilla Roles, and gain an action of the chosen role that cannot kill, reveal alignments, or give additional abilities in any way. It becomes 1-shot. You may only choose each role once per game.

Nya Kawaii Desu
Passive — Leader Sealed
You are the Leader of The Joycat Nomads. You know all members of your Guild. When you die, the player who has been a member of your Guild the longest (by number of phases, and ties are randed) becomes the next Leader, inheriting all Leader abilities and usual responsibilities, and then all of your Leader abilities become Sealed.

Box In
Immediate Day Action — Leader Multitaskable Sealed Unstoppable
Submit a post to the hosts made by you replying to a player who quoted you, and the submitted post must include the text “boxed in ”. If the player you replied to is not a Leader or Lieutenant, they are recruited into The Joycat Nomads. You may only recruit each player once per game this way. (They are removed from their current Guild if applicable.)

Spread Propaganda
Immediate Day Action — Leader Multitaskable Sealed Unstoppable
Choose a piece of propaganda submitted during this Day for the event, and have the hosts post it publicly. You may use this up to 3 times per Day.

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You are Mistyx, Town Kitsune. You have inspired a number of extremely varied and creative roles in games like MU and Anni, such as “Pokémon role,” “different Pokémon role,” “yet another Pokémon role,” et cetera. But we know you’re more than just a Latias! I mean, just look at your profile picture – it’s a fox. Not a Vulpix, or a Ninetales, or a Fennekin, a fox .

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

ash4fun was Town

Image rolecard

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Leafia
Town Beloved Gardener

You are not a member of a Guild.

Happily Toiling Away
Passive
You have access to the Leafia’s Garden private chat.

Tend the Garden
Night Action — Key
Choose 1:

• Bark — You gain 10 Armor Plates. If this is Empowered, you additionally heal 10 HP. (An Armor Plate negates 1 damage, and is then destroyed. It can be thought of like temporary HP.)
• Thorns — Deal 5 damage to target player. If this is Empowered, deal 5 damage to target player, and make them become Ensnarled instead. (Ensnarled — This player takes 5 damage at the end of each Day.)
• Fruit — Choose 1 of Cookie or Bonus Super Like , and give the chosen object to another target player or yourself. If this is Empowered, choose both instead, and the targeted player loses Hungry. (Hungry — The Charge costs of this ability are doubled. If on a player, it affects all abilities.)

Gardening Assistant
Day Action
Give target player an opportunity to work in your garden. If a post of yours received a Super Like from the targeted player, they will be given a copy of Tend the Garden at the beginning of the next Night until the beginning of the next Day. If you both use Tend the Garden and choose the same mode, both become Empowered until the beginning of the next Day.

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You are Leafia, Town Beloved Gardener. Whenever you rand mafia, you make a ⁠leafias-garden channel, though you’re often the only one who posts in it (apart from that one time when Zone got really mad at you and destroyed your garden ;-;). Wolfing takes a lot of investment, so this time we’ve randed you town to make sure you have enough time to actually tend your garden.

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

BradLand was Town

Text-based rolecard

MerpyDerpy
Town Socialist Motion Detector

You are not a member of a Guild.

You are a Socialist.

As a Socialist, you have access to the following:

The Conquest of Bread
Passive
At the beginning of each Night while the source of this is alive, Socialists (including you) must choose a target for each of the following actions:

• Inspect target player, and learn how healthy they are (Healthy, Wounded, Bloodied).
• Deal 10 damage to target player.
• Give 10 Armor Plates to target player. (An Armor Plate negates 1 damage, and is then destroyed. It can be thought of like temporary HP.)

Each action will be used that Night targeting the most chosen player for it (ties are randed), and carried by a randomly chosen Socialist who chose the targeted player for that action. (Please note this is not a role ability of yours.)

Hunch
Night Action — Key
Observe target player, and learn if they visit another player or are visited by a player using a killing or blocking action.

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You are MerpyDerpy, Town Socialist Motion Detector. You are the strong bond to the DW/Mudae island group and have stood as a strong leader to multiple games always wearing your heart on your sleeve. Sadly you were unable to make it to this game to help lend your hand but your influence will still have it’s hand. Oh and Good Morning!

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

bystander was Town

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tutuu
Town Toodle Poodle

You are a member of The AGENDA .

Take the Lead
Day Action — Compulsive
Submit a list of 4 players to the hosts. The player with the Arctic role must choose a target from that list with their Key action.

Missing Piece
Night Action — Compulsive Key
Give target player a Left Heart Half Mark. If a player ever has 2 different Marks on them, they die. If your Mark has helped killed 2 or more players this way, disable it. You may only target each player once per game. (Having 2 Left Heart Half Marks won’t kill a player. It must a Left Heart Half, and some other kind of Mark. Also, while there is at least one other kind of Mark, there is no Right Heart Half Mark. Sorry )

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You are tutuu, Town Toodle Poodle. You love to tease Arctic about taking your favorite dogboy for a walk, and this time you’ll actually get the chance. You previously announced to the site that you were dating, but since you weren’t actually dating, you aren’t lovers; still, we couldn’t possibly leave your unique bond out of FAM, especially not when you both remind us about it so frequently.

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

CarrotyReaper was Town

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Garfooled
Town Trust Faller

You are not a member of a Guild.

You are Enigmatic. ( You cannot claim or soft any flavor, tags, or role abilities. If you do, you lose all role abilities and tags. We don’t care if what you claim is real. Simply claiming something is a violation. You will be removed from private chats you created with your abilities. )

Leap Into the Abyss
Day Action — 1-shot Classified
Put your trust in target unallied player. If they are a member of the Town , you join a private chat with them, lose Enigmatic, and join their Guild; they learn your alignment. If they are not a member of the Town , you die.
( A Classified ability has its name, tag line, and text fully redacted except for the Classified tag. It is ignored by inspection effects e.g. a role cop. )

You are Garfooled, Town Trust Faller. You hosted the legendary game “I’ll Catch You,” in which two-thirds of the game eliminated themselves before the first twenty-four hours had passed, of which four of those players did so in less than a hundred posts. This game, we’re giving you the chance to wholeheartedly put your trust in another player, for better or for worse, with the possibility of eliminating yourself just as quickly.

dyachei was Mafia

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Italy
Mafia Gunslinger

You are a member of The Joycat Nomads

Stone Cold
Passive
You have 0 Super Likes, and cannot gain Super Likes or *Bonus Super Likes . In true Italy fashion, you cannot Like (the usual BORING kind) posts either, but we’re not going to enforce it.

Sheriff’s Legend
Passive
You have 4 additional ITA shots each Day (5 total). Your base ITA damage is 3, and you ignore effects from other players that would give you additional ITA shots or damage. When a player you have targeted with ITA shot dies during the same Day, if you have gained less than 3 Justice Charges this Day, gain 1 Justice Charge. If a post of yours containing an ITA shot also contains an animated image (e.g. a GIF) with a gun that does not depict violence, that shot deals 0 damage.

Staggering Shot
Immediate Day Action — Key
Spend 2 Justice Charges to weaken target player that has been targeted by at least 2 ITA shots this Day, and at least once by you. That player becomes Vulnerable until the beginning of the next Day. (You shooting them twice works, you and another player works, two other players does not work.)

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You are Italy, Mafia Gunslinger. You’ve done a lot of things on FoL, but the one we’ve decided you’re most known for is your decision to host a mountainous game with ITAs. Maybe one year we’ll come up with a new joke, but FAM4 is not that year. In any case, you have GUNS that you can SLING at people.

You win if no more threats to the Mafia exist or nothing can prevent that from happening.

ElizaThePsycho was Town

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benguinedparbecue (but worse)
Town Child Drowning Sports Fan Peter Singer Enthusiast

You are a member of The AGENDA.

You are a Communist (you know why).
You are a Leader.

You begin the game with 1 Child Drowning Charge.

Expert Analysis
Night Action — Key
Submit a prediction of which Guild will have the Advantage at the end of the next Day. If you are correct, gain 1 Child Drowning Charge. If you are incorrect, you may submit a rant at least 250 characters in length bashing your Guild (the Guild you thought would win) for their complete fucking incompetence to be posted immediately, and gain 1 Child Drowning Charge. You may use this action on Night 0. (The desired energy for the rant is absurdist and over the top, not mean. Do not try to include reads or anything else game-related that’s not relevant for the rant. A few example rants can be provided upon request. Note these are not written in the style of benguinedparbeque if that’s what you’re going for.)

Bag Chaser
Passive
We Do Not Endorse the Drowning of Children is Compulsive during N1 (Night 1) because otherwise you would be late for work.

We Do Not Endorse the Drowning of Children
Night Action — 1-Cooldown
Spend 1 Child Drowning Charge to kill a child who is drowning in thread (target player with 30 posts or less made the previous Day).
(X-Cooldown — You must wait X Phases before using it again i.e. 1-Cooldown means you cannot use it on consecutive Nights.)

Morally Justified
Night Action — Delayed
Spend 1 Child Drowning Charge to kill somebody drowning children in the thread (target player with 400 posts or more made the previous Day).
(Delayed — This resolves the following Cycle in the same Phase.)

Silksong release date is definitely going to be announced this time
Night Action — Encrypted Inactive
Spend 1000 Hopium Charges to learn the release date of Silksong. You may only use this during Night 99.
(An Encrypted action cannot be revealed by inspection actions e.g. a role cop. It can still be observed, and is not redacted.)

Mets Hat Meta
Passive — Leader
You are the Leader of The AGENDA. You know all members of your Guild. When you die, the player who has been a member of your Guild the longest (by number of phases, and ties are randed) becomes the Leader, inheriting all Leader abilities and usual responsibilities, and then all your Leader abilities become Sealed.

Many People are Saying This!
Immediate Day Action — Leader Multitaskable Unstoppable
Submit a post to the hosts made by another player that is either making fun of you, praising you, or expressing a “Town read” on you. If the author of the submitted post is not a Leader or Lieutenant, they are recruited into The AGENDA. You may only recruit each player once per game this way. (They are removed from their current Guild if applicable.)

Spread Propaganda
Immediate Day Action — Leader Multitaskable Unstoppable
Choose a piece of propaganda submitted during this Day for the event, and have the hosts post it publicly. You may use this up to 3 times per Day.

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You are benguinedparbecue, also known (by Arete) as [REDACTED]. Originally recruited from the Quizbowl community, you’ve become a mainstay of the cookie thread. Among members of the Quizbowl community, you’re also known for your extended rants about poorly performing sports teams. In honor of your strong feelings about Peter Singer and his drowning child thought experiment, we’re giving you the opportunity to express your views in the clearest way possible: throwing more children into the pond.

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Original image rolecard

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YoubutWorse
Town You But Worse

You are a member of The AGENDA.

You are Sealed. (Neither you nor abilities can be interacted with while you’re dead.)

Nobody Escapes the Circus
Passive
If you become the (ring)Leader of a Guild, no one can leave it, even if another effect would normally cause them to do so.

ThembutWorse
Immediate Action — 1-shot Key Multitaskable
Gain the role and Charges of target dead allied player whose role was revealed, and become them… but worse. You keep Silksong release date is definitely going to be announced this time. Each ability you gain this way loses a tag that granted a positive effect. Any ability that can’t lose a tag this way gains a tag that grants a negative effect. Then, the targeted players become Sealed.

Silksong release date is definitely going to be announced this time
Night Action — Encrypted Inactive
Spend 1000 Hopium Charges to learn the release date of Silksong. You may only use this during Night 99.
(An Encrypted action cannot be revealed by inspection actions e.g. a role cop. It can still be observed, and is not redacted.)

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You are YoubutWorse, Town You But Worse. You are known around the community for your friendly attitude, and your passion for your special interests, which include The Owl House, Amphibia, and D&D. (Occasionally they include more than one of these at once, such as when you made a D&D character based on Sasha Amphibia.) Given your role in the community, it’s hard for anyone to see how you could live up to your username… which is why this game, we’re giving you the chance to.

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Ephemera was Town

Image rolecard

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mollylikesorigami
Town Likes Origami

You are a member of The Joycat Nomads

Take a Chance
Passive
At the beginning of each Night, if your posts received the most Super Likes from members of a Guild other than yours, leave your Guild, and join the Guild whose members gave you the most Super Likes. (Ties are randed if it’s between 2 Guilds that aren’t yours. If your current Guild is in the tie, you won’t leave it.)

I’m Happy You’re Here
Night Action — Key
Fold target living or dead player. If they are a member of your Guild, they become Folded while you are alive. If a player you made Folded this way dies during the Night and would have received feedback for an action, you receive that feedback instead.
(Folded means the player’s abilities cannot be interacted with while they’re living or dead.)

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You are mollylikesorigami, Town Likes Origami. You wandered into FoL off the street one day, and let everyone know what you’re all about: “i like origami.” You’re also a regular contributor to Music Leagues, and somehow have both the best and worst taste in music. However, we decided that it would be wrong to have your role not let you put your origami skills to good use.

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Hallia was Town

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Kanave
Town Hopeful Healer

You are a member of The Throne of Boomers

If Only Wolves Didn’t Have Extra KP
Day Action — Key
Heal target Poisoned player.
(Poisoned — This tag has a secret value of either “real” or “fake”, and it defaults to “real” unless otherwise stated. A “real” Poisoned player dies at the end of the next or current Day, whichever happens first, unless the tag is removed. It is publicly announced at the beginning of each Day which players are Poisoned.)

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You are Kanave, Town Hopeful Healer. You have reped DW the last two years and recently lost a game due to KP difference from a mech locked game if that were not the case. SO we have you the way to stop this no more pesky day KP when you can heal the poison… right? right??? Also happy pride month!

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Jarek was Town

Image rolecard

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Trochilidae & Wazza
Town Alexatilda

You are a member of The AGENDA

Gay Needle Scenario
Night Action — Key
Protect target player from killing actions during the Night, and they become Treated until the end of the next Day. You may not target the same player on consecutive Nights.

What do you say we start the real fun now?
Passive
When you die, Treated players lose Treated, and become Poisoned.
(It is publicly announced when a player becomes Poisoned player. A Poisoned tag is secretly “real” or “fake”. A “real” Poisoned player dies at the end of the next or current Day, whichever happens first, unless the tag is removed. Poisoned is “real” unless otherwise specified, but it is not publicly stated if it’s “real” or “fake”.)

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You are Wazza and Trochilidae, Town Alexatilda (is that seriously the best ship name we could come up with)? A few years back, you were both part of an intensely homoerotic scene in Danganronpa 5, which ultimately became known as the Gay Needle Scenario. (Unfortunately, we have to follow forum rules, so we probably can’t reproduce the full text here.)

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Kanave was Town

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Kiiruma
Town Ultimate ???

You are a member of The Throne of Boomers.

You are a Leader.

Amnesia
Passive — Key
You have forgotten parts of some of your abilities. You may attempt to use actions with missing text, but invalid submissions will be rejected as normal (we will not say anything beyond that it is an invalid submission).

Search Through The Forbidden Section
Immediate Day Action — Multitaskable
Submit a guess for each action you have that’s missing text. If any part of your guess is sufficiently accurate, the corresponding missing parts of that ability will be revealed. For all insufficiently accurate parts, learn an estimation of how accurate it is to the actual missing text. Your guess need not include the ability’s name, and it will be revealed once all of its text is.

???
Night Action
Choose ???.

???
Immediate Day Action — Inactive
Choose ???.

PACmaxxing
Passive — Leader Sealed
You are the Leader of The Throne of Boomers. You know all members of your Guild. When you die, the player who has been a member of your Guild the longest (by number of phases, and ties are randed) becomes the Leader, inheriting all Leader abilities and usual responsibilities, and then all your Leader abilities become Sealed.

Indoctrinate
Immediate Day Action — Leader Multitaskable Sealed Unstoppable
Submit a post to the hosts that is either replying to or quoting you, or a post of yours liked (the normal, boring kind) by another player. If the player replying to or quoting you or the player who liked your post is not a Leader or Lieutenant, they are recruited into The Throne of Boomers. You may only recruit each player once per game this way. (They are removed from their current Guild if applicable.)

Spread Propaganda
Immediate Day Action — Leader Multitaskable Sealed Unstoppable
Choose a piece of propaganda submitted during this Day for the event, and have the hosts post it publicly. You may use this up to 3 times per Day.

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You are Kiiruma, Town Ultimate ???. You are a Danganronpa fan, to the point that your username is literally a Danganronpa ship name. Danganronpa conventions dictate that there must be one Ultimate ??? per game, and this time it’s you. Fortunately, you are also a Blood on the Clocktower fan, so the Amnesiac isn’t too much of a mystery…

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Forgotten Abilities

To be revealed upon death regardless of if they have been solved by the player or not yet.

Scanning
Night Action
Choose up to 5 players. Learn 2 True statements and 1 False statement that each apply to either the group or an individual player in it. Truth Bullet loses Inactive. (The statements may be poetic and are likely to be somewhat ambiguous and require inferences.)

Truth Bullet
Immediate Day Action - Inactive
Choose one of your statements you learned from Scanning during the previous Night. You will receive an image and short statement based on the truthiness of that statement. If it is the False statement, you gain an additional permanent +1 Vote Weight (you will be informed that you’ve received an additional permanent +1 Vote Weight). This becomes Inactive.

Millium was Town

Image rolecard

This card is Folded.
(Folded means the player’s abilities cannot be interacted with while they’re living or dead.)

Text-based rolecard

Atlas
Town Hypothetical Poser

You are a member of The Joycat Nomads.

You are Folded.
(Folded means the player’s abilities cannot be interacted with while they’re living or dead.)

osu! Victim
Passive
You are considered to be Lucky in events that do not involve dexterity, timing, or rhythm, and Unlucky in events that do.
(Lucky — When random chance is involved, dice will be rolled twice with the most beneficial value taken. If there’s a tie, one of the Lucky players wins unless there are no Lucky players.)
(Unlucky — When random chance is involved, dice will be rolled twice with the least beneficial value taken. If there’s a tie, Unlucky players cannot win unless there are only Unlucky players.)

Adapt Philosophy
Odd Night Action — 2-shot Key
Choose 2 players to pose a hypothetical to the hosts about whose role is stronger in the current game state if they use their abilities optimally (from the next Day and beyond), and learn the hosts’ opinion.

The Soul of the Bulletproof Vest
Passive
The first time you are targeted by 1 or more killing actions this game, protect yourself from a randomly chosen killing action.

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You are Atlas, Town Hypothetical Poser. In last year’s FAM, you were targeted by a poorly-implemented role that forced you to get a nigh-impossible score in the rhythm game “osu!” This game, we’ve made your luck even worse!

Also you can discuss philosophy I guess.

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

neil_the_eel was Town

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crazynuto
Town Adventurer

You are a member of The Joycat Nomads.

You are a Socialist.

Quest Not for the Key
Odd Night
Protect target player from non-killing, non-Key actions.

Quest for the Key
Even Night — Key
Protect target player from other non-killing Key actions.

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You are crazynuto, Town Adventurer. Last FAM, you were one of the illustrious members of the D&Dborhood, going on epic quests with your fellow players. This FAM, you’ve returned as an adventurer, going on quests to defend innocent villagers from cursed keys (by seeking out the keys for yourself so you can sell them for profit, obviously).

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Selkie was Town

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Hally
Town Enlightened Socialist

You are a member of The Joycat Nomads.

You are a Socialist.

Das Kapital
Passive
You know you are being hunted by a Mysterious Capitalist.

The Conquest of Bread
Passive — Key
At the beginning of each Night while you are alive, Socialists (including you) choose a target for each of the following Night actions:

• Inspect target player, and learn how healthy they are (Healthy, Wounded, Bloodied).
• Deal 10 damage to target player.
• Give 10 Armor Plates to target player. (An Armor Plate negates 1 damage, and is then destroyed. It can be thought of like temporary HP.)

Each action will be used that Night targeting the most chosen player for it (ties are randed), and carried by a randomly chosen Socialist who chose the targeted player for that action. These actions are Multitaskable.

Manufacturing Consent
Day Action
Make target player become a Socialist. You may use this an additional time during Day 1.

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You are Hally, Town Enlightened Socialist. While Hally isn’t really a FoLer, and hasn’t even played a game since 2022, we decided to give you a role because… (Why did we give her a role again?)
(Distant mumbling.)
(If you say so.)
We did it just because!

You win when the Mafia and all other threats to the Town have been eliminated.

[catbae]

VOTE: Ephemera

we still have time to catch the deepwolf

[Luka]

@notblackorwhite
fuck you, cop makes setups less complex (/j) (to the first part)
:3

[an_gorta_slanktai]

nice vc, basically any insom game ever

[Kiiruma]

@Marshal one of my ideas was having you added to my card since you were lightly aligned to the mafia lmao. Thought it could be funny to just trustfall

[Marshal]

it was only manny. who basically never responded to me or said anything about me in thread