PROOF that radiohead is aware of weezer. PROOF
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ok fair u win
I’ve had time to read a few responses (not enough time to form a great one of my own) and honestly if you’ve boiled the thread down to “AtE should be allowed”, I feel you’ve missed the point and instead only grabbed one paragraph I wanted to discuss about, I’m talking about the issue regarding AtE, not saying we should have it more, the Wind example was based on a friendly approach of AtE, which is seemingly allowed on this site, however the latter is not.
I mostly wanted to speak about the effects of a lack of knowledge about the AtE while making a cool sounding title lmao, but in all honesty the better way of getting my approach across here is that I want a formulation regarding what is and isn’t allowed, because a lot of people seem to take no AtE as not being allowed to be friendly, while others take it the complete opposite regard, which often causes cases where the most powerful emotion is anger, which leads to frustration and annoyance and toxicity in the thread.
I know I didn’t get my point across well, but the intention wasn’t “bring back AtE 
”, it was more “people don’t know what AtE is and boil it down to a regard that causes worse moments of it”
Anger fuels a lot of things about people, insults, comments and a lack of thinking, and it often generates from a frustration of having inability to exhume emotion in the first place, which I feel has been a problem
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In all honesty, I think that this anger, mockery, etc, all comes at once typically in post game, or in dead chats, spec chat, mafia chat, etc.
I think there should be host guidelines to police and report these things when they happen, and hosts should maybe consider locking the thread for an hour after the game ends, so that there isn’t a instant inflow of emotion, frustration, etc.
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This was another part I included, the endgame after singers fm was absolutely a disgrace and I will not budge on that
Personal grudges or not, you should not be allowed to speak to other people like that, especially not on a website like this, I’m utmost surprised no action was taken regarding the postgame there and there was no sort of intervention, if anything it felt the opposite came from the modteam there
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I think holding a position from a neutral approach is a good thing to see, I like knowing an outside perspective, but this is all mostly just in game, out of game I’ve never seen a community stronger than this in my entire time on the side, even if there feels like a divide at times regarding a few members.
Also I wanted a cool sounding title like I said in my last one and wanted to reference the uptick in toxicity thread lol
Also I wanted to make it clear, there probably isn’t a solution, this isn’t something that can be solved, it’s just an effect of time, I mostly wanted to open a discussion about it
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i think perhaps some of your meaning got lost in the attempt to make it sound cooler ngl.
I think it’s easy to forget how bad things used to be wrt toxicity circa 2019-2021 or so. perhaps things are a bit muted in comparison but I challenge you to think about that as a necessary evil vs. a. people getting seriously hurt and b. other people not wanting to be a part of the community because of that.
and maybe ways in which to convey and display emotion without putting others into a position where they are to confront it as part of their play. it’s easy to feel like everyone is constricted and restrained when you feel that way, perhaps working on alternative measures of expression will bring the livelihood back for you while also keeping everyone comfortable
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i dont have tangibld suggestions because its not something i’m very good at but its my thoughts
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ok i do want to ask did you actually talk to any of the mods directly about this
i don’t want to assume you didn’t but i feel like a surprising amount of people dont think to do it
this reads like a triple a dystopian novel
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I had a much different issue going on post-Singers FM, and mods were in the thread, attempting to convey my thoughts directly would’ve fallen upon deaf ears and felt more like I was forcing a move from them, I stated this directly to the mods on the last time I flagged a post, I’m not interested in something occurring, I just don’t want people to make a mistake, I had no clue it would spiral until way after when I was drunk and when I was dealing with my own ban, feels slightly ironic to call upon mods that are in the thread.
This isn’t a post directly about toxicity, it’s only part of it, sure making it sound cooler may have missed the point, but a large portion of it is the lack of a human aspect that gets conveyed throughout posts, so it made sense
my argument is that ultimately toxicity and “showing more humanity” go hand in hand. If everyone showed the full range of their feelings about a game all the time, very mean things would get said. It’s a bit of a tradeoff, and I think its a good idea to find alternate ways of expressing emotions on the negative end of that range that don’t make ppl in game get hurt or uncomf
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speak for yourself
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There is an extent to which showing emotional restraint goes hand in hand with existing productively in a community. I can get Unbelievably Tilted after games end, and, like, it’s not wrong of me to experience those emotions, but it would be harmful to the community for me to express them, because it would hurt other people. So I try* not to, and keep the more hardcore frustration to private spaces with friends. I don’t think suppression of emotions in and of itself is an issue. Being measured and “professional” and a bit “robotic” is normal, to an extent, that’s how you have to live when you’re in a society. And in a space with a lot of young people and social outcasts (which I am both of) who are both more likely to express frustration beyond what’s productive and more likely to feel hurt by others’ frustration, it’s necessary for this to be enforced by rules and moderation.
It’s not really possible to have a 1. large, open community space 2. where people feel like they can express all their feelings unrestrained and 3. where there aren’t instances of people getting hurt by others’ tilt and frustration like in the postgames you mentioned. It’s a tradeoff, and one you’re finding frustrations on both sides of. Those frustrations are understandable, but I don’t think there’s a solution that wins all three sides of it. Suppress emotions, be on the receiving end of others’ emotions, or deal with a ton of bans - those are the options, really.
*Not sure how much I succeed
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I haven’t really read any of this but I disagree with Katze
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The best part of FM is you scum read someone, then they proceed to blow your scum read out of the water doing something undeniably towny 
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Wazza,
I would implore you to look for other sites and communities, to see how they run and how they handle things, to study and figure out what exactly you don’t like about FoL. Speaking as someone who’s homesite is
no longer FoL, I can cheerily say that I’ve found what’s right for me. A mostly stable community with excellent moderator-to-user relations. Of course, the site’s pace is slow, much slower than FoLers would be used to. It is a forum-board, after all.
While I won’t directly recruit here, I do want you to look out for other Mafia sites and see what is available, try finding other communities and try vibing with them, you know? The worst that can happen is that you end up back here with more knowledge, yeah?
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