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Atlas (3): sillykitty2366, Memes, Zorvo

silly - I said people didn’t want to push neon because they’d be dead come morning, or completely exhausted. They voted me for that
Memes - I said I townread Lemon and Jarek and I thought they were both town, memes thought i meant it was “100% locktown” when i meant they were both probably town both being tunneled
zorvo - he didn’t explain
may - vibereads

I can’t say I’ve ever seen Atlas as an evil player in my time on the forums so for all I know I’m looking at it, but for now I’ll tell you that I think I’m looking at a Town atlas.

They think Neon is evil and they think Neon is evil because Neon pushed Hail out, which I can see why someone would call that evil and pursue them as a potential wolf to put pressure on. This makes sense to me. Their reaction at the start of D2 makes sense progression-wise as to why their read would turn on Neon in such a way as opposed to a wolf just looking for a free mis-elim, in my opinion.

They haven’t really done much in the way of engaging with other people - I’d say that’s mostly due to the back and forth Neon & Atlas have had this entire time. The argument which seems like, to me, two towns who genuinely both believe that the other one is evil going at it. This is honestly my biggest case for why Atlas is town at all.

I don’t think a wolf would be able to push someone with as much conviction as Atlas does because the wolf would know they are wrong and pushing a townie. They’d have their argument stuck on one thing like the mis-execution and probably just continue to try and push that the entire day. Atlas hasn’t really done that. Their push started because of the mis-execution and the D2 entrance but I don’t really feel like the reason they’re still pushing Neon (or were) is that.

Also I get the feeling wolves wouldn’t really try “Look” for the reasoning behind someones push or their allignment or really anything. They’d just want the other person dead because they know that’s how they can get closer to winning. They only need to feign that stuff to get people to trust them but if they’re trying to push someone then who cares if the person you want dead trusts you. I don’t think they’d waste time trying to explain to you their reasoning - because what would that even achieve? “Hell yeah I agree with you lets lynch me today :slight_smile:

I don’t know. This kind of behaviour makes me think Atlas is town and you’re free to disagree with me and vote them if you don’t believe me.

I still need to see how I fucked up. Anyone can say the exe was bad in hindsight. But nobody had a good case in the moment. I posted it before I was even done with it to make sure there was time to counter it and nobody did until the next day

I mean…yes and no. But I can’t keep arguing this.

It was early D1. Does any read matter that early? I’ve been wagoned and killed d1 for coming in to the thread and saying Hi in a “scummy” way.

I read into something early that looked bad to me. The amount of people who used that to jump on me was… something.

Your not. I’m the fuck up lol

I’ve got nothing to say than

I can not express enough how little I care about flip info. Ever. It’s stupid. Kill scum don’t worry about info I don’t care about info. Flipping for info kills town more than scum.

Hail looked like scum to me. The lead wagons didn’t. I made a case and it worked. I would rather hit someone who I think is scum regardless than let a town die who I think is town because info or whatever

I… am probably misunderstanding this. There are only a few reasons why scum would stab him… which is why I’m reading his death and those reasons.

Me too.

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Feel free to quote this if Atlas flips wolf and trolls me btw

Is this to say vibereads aren’t valid?

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no, which is why i dropped it

i genuinely don’t think thats true
but i really don’t want to get into this argument again

This argument honestly makes sense to me.

We will.

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I think there’s a reason Lemon is still alive and I don’t think it’s because the mafia thought they were going to be protected but that’s not a world I’ve explored yet

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Leafia, remember when you were posting original thoughts all over the place earlier? You’re just agreeing with opposing sides right now. You’re allowed to change your mind, but please pick a side.

I’m not trying to be mean, but that’s the whole reason why I townread you and now you’re slipping away.

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The problem I have here is that there’s been almost no actual movement onto me. I basically had to bait Atlas to vote me by being a dick and yeah that was intentional. The come on vote me you won’t thing. They’ve been talking about this case all day but until I basically forced their hand it was always “better things to deal with”

Starting to make note of this myself

I’ll try but it’s so hard to tell who’s right sometimes. I do think the Atlas/Neon argument is tvt right now though.

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i explained this
if constantly pushing against you means i can literally do nothing else in thread
i just don’t want to do it

i hate voting
which if you’d look at my other games you’d see

You can place the vote you believe in and do other things.

I have constantly looked into things off my current vote despite you thinking I’m tunneled.

I don’t even know what to say to this. Like… voting is mafia.

So if you think they’re V/V, you should probably say that and explain why you think that, if there’s tangible reasoning, or explain it’s a vibe check. If you’re right, this conflict only harms town the longer it goes on for.

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i’ve literally gone entire games without it
just don’t like it