Flipless Purgatory - Hell Phase 2 (7/9)

[Mittens]

Anyway as for worldbuilding

In a W!Frink T!Beancat world, Soweli/Pandora are clear, Meme/Chomps look bad, Childe looks decent for abstaining on close wagons like that, and Leafia looks neither better nor worse

In a T!Frink W!Beancat world, Meme/Chomps are clear, and I’m still going to clear Soweli for being towny, leaving Pandora/Childe/Leafia. Childe again looks decent for abstaining, and I still think Leafia has overall some points in her favor, so I’d say it’s Pandora + 1 in this world

In a T!Frink T!Beancat world… Childe looks worse for abstaining, so I think I’d say Childe > Pandora > Meme ~= Chomps > Leafia is a list from most to least likely here (could put Soweli at the end but I won’t)

In a W!Frink W!Beancat world, lol
I would probably slot the last wolf as like, Childe, as Soweli/Chomps/Meme/Pandora all contributed to putting those as the two wagons, and that leaves Childe and Leafia, where I think W!Childe makes more sense

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I… expected this to be more useful, with hopefully some names shared across all the worlds nicely but that hasn’t worked out

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[Mittens]

@Mittens

I… expected this to be more useful, with hopefully some names shared across all the worlds nicely but that hasn’t worked out

this will hopefully be more useful when we can get psuedoflips from whether we have a judgement day and whether the game ends
but for now uh. nya

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[Mittens]

ok time for ugzwang

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[childe]

i only really know him from that one time he got a laser to the head
Think he’s fairly towny though
Comes across as pure thinking to me

@Mittens

Childe looks decent for abstaining on close wagons like that

i always abstain on voting just read my past games.
its in my blood to never vote
Im standing up against the mafia regime that tells me to vote

[soweli]

wtf you need to pokemon go to the polls

how are you normally read btw

[childe]

um. I dont really know my meta or tells since nobody tells me.

i think im generally a bit more paranoid as mafia at least

[beancat]

Good morning

[pandora]

@Memekingpizza

So do you believe they were town based on the EOD and how they didn’t self pres? Honestly I thought it was mafia ish since they didn’t do themselves any favors based on those 17 minutes we had of them. But I could see it being pressured under time to flip a vote could have made them perpetual suspect.

i guess

[pandora]

idk

[pandora]

good morning though

[pandora]

@soweli

I mean a wolf wants to get into heaven as well burt the way that you’re pushing it is too stubborn and not enough logical that it (at least on level 1) is wolfy.

this is just leafia

[pandora]

@Mittens

If you felt like Frink was being wolfy at EOD, why didn’t you vote them? You didn’t seem too sold on beancat over Frink at the time

TRUE

[beancat]

I would say that Leafia can be reasonably read by how correct their reads are, but that’s not gonna work for this game…

@Leafia

This feels a bit shadily wolfy to me.

@Leafia

Feels a bit villagery to me for some reason I can’t explain.

I think this is quite fair of D1 Leafia

And the entirety of yesterDay and toDay, they continued to advocate themselves town:

@Leafia

Ah. I was going to suggest sending me for this phase, but we’re sending someone to Hell first. Everyone knows all us Leafeons go to Heaven.

@Leafia

I need to figure out who the wolves are first Chomps and why are you so concerned by a single vote?

@Leafia

Frink’s desperate vote on me has me thinking we sent a wolf to Hell.

@Leafia

Why not vote me then?

@Leafia

Why not vote for me then?

But they haven’t provided much reasoning to their reads and have just instead spent a lot of their posts “vote for me vote for me”
I think this is scum that knows “Town will try and get into heaven at all costs” but can’t really act towny to support it

[beancat]

Welp we have 2 hours and great wagons
I’ll start with one of the nonselfvoters

VOTE: Soweli

[Leafia]

@soweli

I mean a wolf wants to get into heaven as well burt the way that you’re pushing it is too stubborn and not enough logical that it (at least on level 1) is wolfy. A wolf wants to get themselves or another wolf into heaven too and especially in such a dire situation where a wolf is in hell. Like my apologies if i am wrong but you have given no reason why you should go to heaven besides your own word that you are town, and that as well as being not a good case and as such decently likely to come from a wolf, also stagnates the other discussion as you’re pushing yourself to the forefront of conversation when there’s really nothing to talk about.

Also your push on me seems desperate tbqh.

I don’t know how to square that interaction but I don’t particularly feel the need to, pairings give easier than reads because wolves sometimes do weird things.

And yet you only seem to think I’m a wolf due to thinking I felt villagery and if I was a wolf, then I would be pushing for my teammates to get into Heaven. That’s my playstyle. Plus, you never ecplained why a villager wouldn’t want to get into Heaven and you completely ignored my reason for wanting to be sent to Heaven in Heaven Phase 1. The only other candidate I see is better suited to helping send wolves to Hell than me.

@Mittens

hm
@Leafia what’s your worldview? What were your opinions on Frink’s posts and in particular EOD
And what worlds are you building around the reads you currently have

If I had any skill at building worlds then I’d be pushing you to get into Heaven right now. Nearly certain Doweli is a wolf though for his unneeded shade on me and his reasoning that doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a few seconds. Frink was likely a wolf and he tried a last minute CFD to me and yet Soweli thinks I could be w/w with Frink? I’m not buying it. You don’t push on a teammate when pushing on your counterwagon could very well save you.

@soweli

Like from her first post it’s less of trying to convince people with arguments and more trying to force her slot through. There’s zero accounting for the process when as town the idea is that if you want to go to heaven (I mean first of all I do tend to think that’s a wolfy want, yes there is uncertainty in sending other players but mafia’s goal is a lot stricter than town’s even though both include “sending myself would be a good idea” so focusing on that is more mafia-indicative because town should be good with other options.

Blatently untrue.

@soweli

And then her last post is just overly LAMIST with no regard for why I don’t think she should go to heaven and instead focusing on "well I am (pretending to be) a villager and she is not sending me to heaven that is bad. It also helps that I am seemingly in contention for the heaven slot and so pushing me does line up with the “get Leafia into heaven” agenda (not saying it is necessarily motivated by that)

You obviously don’t know what LAMIST means. I’m clearly town this game.

@beancat

But they haven’t provided much reasoning to their reads and have just instead spent a lot of their posts “vote for me vote for me”
I think this is scum that knows “Town will try and get into heaven at all costs” but can’t really act towny to support it

No it isn’t. I wouldn’t even be pushing for myself to be sent to Heaven as a wolf here.

@beancat

Welp we have 2 hours and great wagons
I’ll start with one of the nonselfvoters

VOTE: Soweli

Change this vote. We’re not sending the wolfiest player alive.

[Leafia]

Villagers don’t throw unnecessary shade on other players people and they don’t jump to the conclusion that someone is a wolf just because they want to get into Heaven either. Sending me Heaven Phase 1 is the best choice town can make. I’m not good when it comes to the solving part, especially since this is flipless, meaning I’ll be even worse at it. The only one I’m at least fairly confident is town right now is Mittens, but they’re much better at solving than me so they’ll be very helpful to have around in future phases. Believe me, I think our besy chance at winning is to send me to Heaven this phase. Look at how I wolved in that Jail game for how I act as a wolf in these types of games. I try to send my allies to Heaven/out of jail. I’d want to stay in the game as long as possible if I was a wolf due to hiw much I love being a wolf. I’d be heavily against being sent to Heaven Heaven Phase 1 if I was a wolf. Anybody that knows me at all could tell you that.

[childe]

Who up towning they town

[Leafia]

I’m towning.

[Mittens]

@Leafia

If I had any skill at building worlds then I’d be pushing you to get into Heaven right now. Nearly certain Doweli is a wolf though for his unneeded shade on me and his reasoning that doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a few seconds. Frink was likely a wolf and he tried a last minute CFD to me and yet Soweli thinks I could be w/w with Frink? I’m not buying it. You don’t push on a teammate when pushing on your counterwagon could very well save you.

hm
What pairings/unpairings do you make with Frink? Like if you assume that Frink is a wolf, like you think he is, who do you think makes sense as a wolf and who’s clear

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[Mittens]

@childe

Who up towning they town

I perhaps would ideally be sleeping my sleep but nya

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