…not really?
Why is dum in the no-touch zone
I understand your comment about it being ‘like a janitor with kill’ but like… why would mafia ever claim they did it?
On top of this, people (as long as they did their articles) may know if they were or were not activated. So claiming an action early on as mafia is risky because if enough people know they were activated, we’d have a wolf PoE established (for at least 1 member)
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The issue I have with this counter argument is that they have been pretty adamant on voting out people based on activity and not giving information. Aside from the fact that they’ve been inconsistent with this (pressuring me yet hadn’t done nothing to your slot despite the inactivity as well) paints to me that they were selective in how they approached this strategy from the get-go. If it came from a town’s perspective I would say they would be trying to get everyone involved yet their actions appear to only be getting a few people involved.
Another thing is that I am most definitely saying their argument isn’t good here. From the messages I saw from Leetic they were open about the fact that the other wagons that didn’t gain traction (the inactive one, mine especially), should be looked at more. I understand this can come from a town perspective but they especially went out of their way to explain how the vote turned out how it did because they didn’t push hard enough for my wagon to gain traction. Not to mention their confidence with their reads putting me off. Aggressive takes to me leans more towards a mafia that is actively trying to derail arguments against their companions. Especially considering how their reads jump from place to place.
I can understand at the beginning they may have gotten frustrated at the lack of reads, and like I said I didn’t know the game state at that point so I do understand how that does come from town. What I addressed instead was how they went from “I am sure mafia is here” to “I am going to vote the inactives” and then reported how inconsistent they were with this and their general feel in relation towards the thread.
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I still TR you, WA, but you really need to cut it out with the “people who scumread me are scum and people who townread me are town”’ crap. You were already wrong about Leafia because of this and if town loses another productive person because of this then they deserve to lose at this point. Keep in mind that people don’t know your alignment, and saying “this person is scum because they’re trying to figure out my alignment and pressuring me when this is something that every townie should be doing in the first place” is not at all helpful.
Leetic why do you seem to be inching towards Eli being a threat?
You are putting too much weight on a purely probabilistic post of mine. Plus, there likely being at least one scum around still means that one or two scum could be in the inactives - you’re acting like that post was me clearing all the inactive slots, which would be absurd. Plus, I feel I’ve already explained why you over the others - you’ve admitted you’ve read the thread and still did nothing D1, the others did more than you and I could only speculate about whatever circumstances made Dum a zero-poster while you admitted to showing up.
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I’m down to vote wind, I wanna iso them not a ton bc 300 posts and I don’t really see why they are so widely townread which makes me sus of them. Then again, I don’t exactly scumread them either
I think he was trying to get everyone involved, by getting the people that weren’t doing anything involved. You don’t need to get people like wind involved when they have 300 posts
How is that ever towny tho
Feels like it was scum slipping, anxious to get the credit
Since when did I say that? That was only one post looking into why Wazza was the nightkill, and even in that post I said that it was potentially based on a problematic assumption. I feel like people are making shit up at this point.
I think you missed a point. I didint KNOW it would janitor anyone. As far as i knew when i wrote it, it was a flavored vigi kill. I only made the connection after eli claimed it and i went “wait a minute”
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I’m putting weight on it because its not beneficial to town to vote based on probability via inactivity. Especially when your first reads were that mafia was most likely active in the thread already. And no I am not saying you cleared the other inactive slots, but instead went head-strong onto my slot off a post which stated that I was scrolling through the thread. Which I do admit could be a bit suspicious if it didn’t come with reads but the reason I didn’t attach reads was because it was around 1 am or so when I posted it and I was tired. Not to mention nothing really springed out to me other than you were hellbent on going after me for inactivity.
No I only based off the question from Cloned saying you were inching towards Eli being a threat
I wanna do some speculation on this bc I think speculation on why the mafia apparently picked dum and kiiruma could help
Dum makes sense to me as being picked bc they were a 0 poster, but I get kiiruma less. Also it’s very possible I was picked last night and I wouldnt know bc my slot didnt write anything. If anyone else would have evidence of their action occuring it would be useful to share it, otherwise we can assume that mafia chose to activate 1-2 of their own people last night (That’s assuming both kiiruma and dum are town who were picked by mafia)
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Also universal, your whole argument against Leetic feels very OMGUSy, it really only feels like youre finding a reason to scumread them bc they scumread you
also since u dont have them listed may I ask what ur pronouns are? ty
They were trying to get everyone involved yet was inconsistent with carrying it out, with them even throwing their vote away on D1 to vote for an inactive slot. Mind you when I read the thread today to look at D1 results there was no serious movement to vote me off. Meanwhile they still stayed in their vote and on D2 turned around to say how the day ended because they didn’t try hard enough to convince other players to vote on a slot that has no-information. Meanwhile for majority of the day they’ve been pushing for more information prior to D1 results
No, I voted to pressure you since you were clearly there and yet were not doing a damn thing. Should I have switched at some point? Sure, but I wasn’t around at EoD and I didn’t expect town to make the worst decision they could have at EoD. And that post was refering to the possibility that at least one scum had posted at least once by that point, not the likelyhood that all three scum were active like you seem to be insinuating, and it was based purely on math rather than anything else. The point of the post was “it’s good to pressure/make reads on the people already here rather than waiting for people to show up”, not “we can safely ignore the people who haven’t posted yet for the rest of the phase”.
Myself and Wind both agree it’s likely mafia picked Gorta.
Due to 
If Maf have to choose 1, 2 and 3 before they choose the same number again we can speculate what they might’ve chosen and why.
If we get no more claims of results we could guess 2 was picked. 2 mafia means they were able to each do something (2 mafia act + a factional kill (assuming mafia get a factional kill based on town revolutionary existing))
If another comes forth then 3 still makes sense because they have to activate 4 town members at some point every 3 cycles. And we’d have less information to take advantage of things N1.
1 to me doesn’t make sense anyway for a N1 pick.
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No, I said I didn’t convince people hard enough that Leafia would be a terrible option to eliminate, since I thought WA was solely voting for pressure and that no townie would actually follow them on such an obviously terrible D1 elimination. In hindsight, I turned out to be wrong. Keep in mind that the last vote on Leafia was only a few minutes before EoD, when I wasn’t around.
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Also now that i think about it, its NOT a janitor kill. Even if i DID know it would wipe the rolecard, it only does it from the targets POV since its a memory thing. Town would still know their role upon death, at least by my interpretation
speaking of night actions, what did you do
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I’m a he/him!
And I am reading them because their thoughts are super damaging to town.
They state how they are confident mafia has already posted in the thread.
Then they go after inactives and vote them.
They stick their vote to one slot and despite there being no movement to get them out they keep it on that slot- effectively throwing their vote away for D1 to look active.
D2 comes around they still push one slot for inactivity despite there being another slot as inactive
And then they shade another top-poster for not voting an inactive even when they didn’t arm a movement for it.
D2 is then spent speculating game mechanics or piggy-backing off others reads and saying “we must pressure inactives”
I have seen this playstyle before with mafias trying to force town to hyper-focus on one factor which is why I am so weary of it.
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