Also I have skimmed but will complain anyways
Because you started off how you usually do as town?
Like yeah you’re complaining about not reading wall posts and it kinda dropped you a few spots but at least when you were keeping up with the game you were doing something.
How do you go to me out of all people when you know how to read me?
Plus you’re literally easy to read don’t act like I wouldn’t know how to read you.
no
the thought behind it
it somewhat makes sense but isnt worth saying except to throw shade
i disagree, simply because of the topic at hand
Summary
Town
Aelin - I have a modpeek on their classcard
Professor - After a poor start, they have proved their point of being knowledgeable about meta, however, they’re not a hard townread because they seem to be somewhat nitpicky about their application of it.
BradLand - The thoughts about the numbering of posts at the start of the game are pretty good, and I can follow the thought process behind them. There’s some decent arguments in the ISO, such as pointing out poor defenses. However, this isn’t a hard townread because when not explicitly making a read they try very hard to not take a stance while providing analysis. Additionally, some of the more recent posts have been more out there in an illogical way, such as post #115 (the vote on pigeon), as well as the random read on me which is stated as gut but also backed up by my posts, which was not elaborated on.
Trochi - Their opener was forced, as I’ve mentioned. This isn’t NAI, but they didn’t really react to me calling it out at all which was disappointing and so I presume they didn’t see it. They have some good analysis, but they’ve been sort of… prickly, as if they’re trying to ward people off. A good point in their favor though is their treatment of me, such in that they’re trying to get a gauge on me firsthand instead of caring about what anyone else is saying.
Frog - I have mixed feelings about this. A lot of their posts feel performative, but in a more theatrical way as if trying to hold a play rather than outright scummy. They have some good analysis, but then some of the shit they say is just random and I’ve noticed that they hedge a lot. I think pointing out the white knight is >rand V, but it’s not exactly difficult to do and could easily be done by a wolf to discredit a V defense of a V.
Squirrel - I can… somewhat follow their train of thought. There aren’t massive leaps in logic as far as I can see, but they seem to just trail off and do some thinking every now and then and just don’t mention it (such as the read on me, apparently.)
Eli - Pretty much entirely a viberead but there’s also the fact that I’m pretty sure if he was scum he would be a lot more self conscious and worried about being called frozen. Obviously, only four posts, not really confident on this but I do feel like it should be said.
Pigeon - Their overall plays haven’t been great, and their voting of Leafia and then poor follow-up, as well as poor pop-ins don’t really make me feel confident in them. They’re giving me a little bit of “lost and kinda not caring”, though, and I can’t tell if it’s genuine or just annoying.
gorta - Their pop-ins were poor (to a lower standard than usual), and despite two separate pop-ins they’ve contributed nothing and have simply thrown out a “give me reasoning” and a “i think i am ok with voting professor, there are so many weird things there”, both of which sound quite disgusting tonally as if he’s trying to go “I think this is what a good towny would do” rather than “this is what town!gorta would do”, although depending on his previous game or two, if they were bad losses this could easily come from town!gorta but otherwise I’d have a greater degree of doubt.
Magnus - Awful tone just throughout. He seems like he really feels like he’s just got everything figured out, and it’s worth noting that this could very easily be partnered with Frog considering how easily the latter brushed off concerns about him originally. Continuing on, his defenses of himself are, quite frankly, terrible. Interestingly enough, though, I’m finding his bits of self-consciousness to be the most towny thing in his ISO. (But then he makes me go bleh again with the rest of them)
clonedcheese - They seem to try and start the game off as if it’s a normal game. After that’s called out as weird, though, they immediately abandon it and instead try to jump into seeming solvey, with large posts but only offering minimal commentary. I’m also seeing a lot of small, direct appeals to people, and their limited analysis feels, ironically enough, like they’re
Additionally, they go on with noting the votes from inactives on Leafia, and then just… ignores them. Then, they go, “Oh my bad posts were a bait” which is… well, I say burn it with fire.
jesus fucking christ 
Minor note that I forgot to add - my brain won’t let me read Illwei, I assume it’s trying to save me from a headache, and I’m not bothering with trying to understand the enigma that is Leafia’s brain rn.
… more minor notes,
i forgot to note that the main reason for this being a townlean is because they have good insight and with the knowledge that they know what the fuck theyre talking about, i can track their train of thought pretty easily
this is a wink wink nudge nudge moment
this should be “This is NAI”
i know you just asked for townreads but thats lame
im wasting way too many posts on this yikes
Okay first of all I didn’t expect that much from that answer, I was iso’ing you to see why I found you towny and ended up realizing that it seemed like you had way more negative stuff on people’s posts than positive, and that was where I asked you for your townreads so I feel way better now.
In terms of Illwei: Town!Illwei actually attempts to solve the game and to out reads on players. She’s way more unfiltered with her thought process on players and is more comfortable and combative as town.
As mafia Illwei is more likely to post about nothing and barely try to do anything but survive. When I caught her in another game on Syndicate she literally just posted about coffee and soup and talked about random shit in the game that wasn’t a read and disappeared.
Illwei starting the game off by attacking early towards Leafia is pretty much town!indicative of her.
Annnnnd her treatment of me is pretty much towny for her because she’d just pocket me annnnnd she prods me every game as town.
I’m writing up my reads now, but doing iso’s is tiring for me and I’m not as great with wording so it’s a struggle for me.
i am heavily sleep deprived and request an elaboration.
i believe it was mentioned at some point, but yes i did see it.
…i wonder why this could be? hm- do you know of any reason?
obviously. my memory isn’t bad enough that i’ve forgotten that game with the odd vote mechanics (i’m sure there was another you were scum in that i horribly misread you but i don’t recall the specifics). in my experience, with you it’s best to approach with a 10 foot pole and cautiously poke your way closer.
i’ll be going to sleep now, i’ve stayed up far too late already.
the topic being “i said that they could potentially be a wolf”, which they then said they would come back to, and i feel like that would be a particularly relevant string of posts, but they never did
i
might have an idea, yes
Corrupt Votes
otherwise known as “Aelin got caught for the wrong reasons and then town won by trying to vote out town”
sigh
never not be bitter
this is a two way street, although i s’pose we can both admit that im way too paranoid about this shit to get pocketed that easily
Was there anything you liked? Disagreed with? Do you have anything to say on what I said other than “thanks”? (This sounds really aggressive and it’s not intended to I Simply Want To Know™)
Brad - Hi 
Aelin - Also started off with instant stance taking but with more of an offensive mindset, instantly came up with a theory of what Frog and Professor were doing while stating she calling them a possible W/W.
Her response to my question about her townreads got everything I needed to know so townread.
Illwei - At first went on to out reads one of them being a scumread on Leafia and pursue’d it which typically leans into town!Illwei. However she got back and hasn’t done anything since she doesn’t want to read wall posts. Sticking with initial guns and calling her town.
I explained Illwei slightly before this post so look at my iso to see why I’m reading her as town.
Frog - Started off with instant stance taking in his first post and pretty much agreed with him on Leafia at that moment with pretty much the same reasoning but with different wording. Was trying to figure if she was town through questioning and trying to find what she is thinking.
Very high energy posting which shows that he’s vibing mixed with getting reads as he going through the game. This I believe is my first real game with Frog that wasn’t a mash or didn’t have him hiding underground in a team game (Sorry about the Day 1 btw) so I’m willing to call that towny.
Professor - Defends Leafia since she always got D1’d in games which is fair if you want to stop something from happening constantly, which I’m fine with and don’t see anything ill will wise regarding the game.
What’s villagery from him is his questioning others, me specifically, of why they’re voting Leafia. He’s not looking to totally take someone’s head off but he’s trying to solve them based on how they answered and him saying I looked decent in my answering shows that.
He has nuanced reasoning to read people a certain way either town or scum.
Squirrel - His post talking about Leafia trying to shift the blame to Professor while taking Frog’s ideas in an opportunistic way was a decent look because it was analysis that I didn’t see before. Agree with his point of Frog’s “ABORT ABORT” post being something that you’d feel like you would call performative but you won’t for reasons you can’t explain.
Does bring up Leafia’s D1 streak to Aelin but holds judgment on Aelin’s alignment rather than using it as an opportunity to scumread someone.
Points and moments that he’s bringing up that feel fair read wise and I feel like he’s trying to actually get reads on players.
Trochilidae - I mean reading their iso they just seem fine to me? Mostly good looking solving and analyzation. That’s pretty much it.
Pigeonnyc - Originally puts vote on Leaf then bounces, but adds a weird “I’m getting wagoned D1” post right after. I kinda just saw what he was reacting to, so the context might be off key?
Odd self awareness on putting Leaf on L-1 while scumreading Magnus but I think I can find that positive.
Eli - Do nothing and leave.
Gorta - 5 posts and most of it was reacting to Leafia having 5 votes.
Magnus - Another person that puts vote on the Leaf wagon and leaves, said in the post that he didn’t have enough time to give the game justice before voting lead wagon, then comes back to say he had actually read the game to that point and thought he needed to make a move immediately despite the fact that there were still about 40 hours left in the day phase…and said that voting Leaf who had a big wagon on her was a placeholder.
Cloned - He initially townreads me off of my reasoning to vote Leafia, then proceeds to scumread me after for an apparent reaction test and tries to lump me with Professor for coming to my aid. Don’t get what happened with him townreading me initially. Not a good look.
Also going to iso Leafia later because she has the biggest iso and I need a moment because I’m fucking tired.
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I thought your Aelin read sucked and that you’re clearly colorblind
Like I’m agreeing with most of it I just have people in different spots. I think mainly because I’m just seeing things I’m agreeing with what they’re saying, or at least “They’re thinking of this situation the same as me so they must be town as well” type of thing which is what I’m getting with Squirrel.
But yeah otherwise what you’re stating is fair, like you’re understanding certain aspects from what the players are doing and you’re not just blindly penalizing them to keep attention on players to keep the POE open.
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I’m not going to be delusional and assume my PoE of 4 has all three wolves simply because I’m not that good lol
However I’m presuming highly on one and hoping for two
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I find myself good at finding towns and I can establish a good town core-
And get myself night killed for it. 
But I normally misclear 1 wolf so you’re not alone.
Pretty sure we can get something established that’s game winning.
This post feels weird but it might just be my brain doing things it does when it’s 2:24 AM
On that note… goodnight.
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Only me boasting, I do that often. 
Good night.
10
wait
frog’s not an alt
I don’t think this changes how I feel about the slot but I feel dumb and should probably reread just in case that subconsciously affected how I feel about the slot
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11 (my first double post of the game 
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frog reread
This reasoning is a bit flawed (if anything, I think who shows up at SoD is time zone indicative rather than alignment indicative), but I don’t really think making that argument is AI either way.
WAIT
@Frog we played in the marblelympics game together
the one with nic cage
it’s okay if you forgot my slot was kind of forgettable tbh
the fact that we were scumpartners that game would be a lot more helpful if
a) I actually remembered anything from that game (I think my slot died before I got to post )
b) it weren’t a team game
c) it wasn’t a solid year and a half ago
but maybe I’ll reread that game later 
I like this post. It’s direct and to the point without coming off as abrasive or arrogant. Tonally I think it doesn’t feel forced, though this might just be frog’s post style.
This is a bit hedgy, but also made pretty early in the game so I suppose that’s fair.
^^^Plus that sentence itself is also a bit hedgy, so I can’t really say anything.
already commented on this but
just want to reiterate that it’s absolutely hilarious and I don’t find it performative
um
okay at first I thought this was entirely fluff but upon reread I realized this is a long and convoluted way of asking Aelin who she’s suspicious of
which is kinda weird but also oddly in keeping with what little I know of frog’s personality so… yay?
wait
are spoilers considered defensive?? feels like a reach to me
(yes, I am aware that this is supposed to be a frog iso and not a pigeon iso, but I thought it relevant)
this post should clear frog as town imo
I’m pretty sure a wolf would make an actual conclusion, or one of their scumpartners would come up with ‘analysis’ based off of it
though that last paragraph does feel pretty awkward so maybe not 100% clearing as town but I think it still adds to the t!frog case
this is an underrated point that I admittedly completely missed the first time through
do you think cloned has tmi on pigeon?
@Frog has your meta changed significantly in the past year and a half?
TL;DR:
I think I just spent an hour of my life towncasing a consensus townread
sometimes I don’t make good choices
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