[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

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Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin, Frog	2/7
Magnus	Trochilidae, Leafia	2/7
Leafia	Illwei, Magnus, thepigeonnyc	3/7
Not Voting	clonedcheese, Squirrel2412, Gorta, EliThePsycho, Professor, Bradland	6

— Insanity

[Gorta]

Yes this is, also why was leafia at 5/7 votes on d1 lol

[Gorta]

everyone give your reasons

[Illwei]

Wow villaging in a low post count game is harder mentally to actually post

[Illwei]

Yes this is a lamist

[Gorta]

I think I am ok with voting professor, there are so many weird things there. also @Frog did I play with you at MU?

[Magnus]

@Frog

So you have chosen death, that’s fine by me :)

Tell me, do you care about post count, or don’t you?

That seemed to be your play IMO, ‘look I’m being helpful talking about the setup and how to play optimally’, but then you just kind of spam posts

You can’t have it both ways IMO

Also, I know literally no one here, I’ve vaguely heard of illwei, so if this is characteristic of your play maybe I’m off base, but I guarantee you, wolves post early in these kind of games more often than not

If you’re not a wolf, find at least ONE wolf in the group and convince me:
Illwei
BradLand
Trochilidae
Professor

@Frog

I’ve explained that wolves tend to want to appear helpful in ‘optimizing’ play, and I’ve applied that read to you. Combined with my read that wolves tend to post at start of day in light games, you fit the profile. I have given you the opportunity and benefit of the doubt to prove me wrong. If you choose to focus on OMGUS, enjoy your hole, I’ll pass you extra shovels.

I’m taking your explanation and applying it elsewhere, hope you don’t mind. I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

@Trochilidae

important note: i will not be wasting time and posts to respond to any questions that should’ve been asked yesterday (i will if necessary ofc but don’t make that your focus please)
but hell yeah i’m super excited to play with y’all (i am slightly rusty but give me a day or so and i’ll be self voting and ate’ing just like normal)

Trochi starts the game off the bait by promising to be useful in the near future, asserting their intention not to waste time by responding to unnecessary questions. This is a completely fair idea, and it’s what I will be doing as well.

Let’s see if Trochi keeps to this simple principle.

@Trochilidae

how much you wanna bet it’ll be the first hour?

as for me i’m resisting the urge to self vote because i’m lonely and for the memes so that’s how i’m doing
i missed this

@Trochilidae

i have a thought on this but i’m not sure if leafia not giving a shit about their postcount is AI
anyone got a link to previous leafia games cause i haven’t played here in a hot minute

@Trochilidae

sobs in ignored
anyways

@Leafia

It’s literally 35 minutes into the game and no one has posted anything AI yet and this is literally the first game I’ve been in that had such a low post cap so how the heck is caring about how much I post here AI?

reads are always AI in some part, no? it’s wrong to say nobody has posted anything AI you just haven’t had the time or the effort to look at the early reads closely enough yet

@Trochilidae

@Professor

The amount of people jumping on Leafia for something that is likely NAI for her is pretty concerning.

concerning how so? does this mean you think one of the people pushing on leafia is a wolf or that you think the amount of people piling on leafia alone proves her innocence? if it’s the first then by all means go more in depth you can’t just say something like this and not elaborate because now i’m interested

Here are my thoughts on these events; unlike Leafia at this time of day, Trochi decides to scumread immediately; Trochi mentioned having a few thoughts on Leafia’s apparent alignment, which cannot easily be determined at this point of the day, although at least Trochi doesn’t start by asserting Leafia is 100% undeniably Mafia or nonsense like that. Up to here, Trochi is acting Town in my eyes.

@Trochilidae

@Leafia

On second glance this post looks like Trochi is relaxed and comfortable but at the same time it has a slightly too friendly tone like he’s trying to make himself liked and it’s something I find slightly on the scummy side although I might be reading too much into it.

that’s the insecurity talking

A bit of a side note, but when Leafia was accused she brushed it aside, claiming it wasn’t serious. When Trochi is scumleaned by Leafia, they instinctively defend themself here.

[quote=“Trochilidae, post:53, topic:311”]
side note i’m liking brad so far especially this post
the way they came in at first with memes and meme votes seemed genuine and the fast switch from memes to serious reads is something i like as well especially as they aren’t afraid to shake up the thread with controversy which imo i don’t think a wolf would be brazen enough to do here

@Trochilidae

@Magnus

I cannot give this game the justice it deserves atm, and due to the post limit I would prefer to save my words for when it’s most valuable. I’ll share my thoughts sooner or later, hopefully before EoD.

In the meantime, I’ll jump on this vote. /Vote Leafia. (@Commando)

this comes across as a panicked, low-efforting wolf. it’s performative and pandering. i do not understand why a town member would enter the game and throw a vote on the leading wagon like this without any regard as to how it formed, or any effort to understand it. Magnus is doing something simply to do something, to follow the crowd and attempt to blend in. i do not like it and believe this kind of behavior is far likelier to come from a wolf.

I’m not the right person to defend myself, so I’ll share my thoughts and move past this. Up to now, Trochi’s made a few reads and hasn’t been particularly helpful in any major manner - like Brad, don’t like Leafia… correct me if I’m false about this. Trochi claims I threw a vote on the leading wagon without understanding those votes, whereas I had been lurking in the thread up to now as proven by Frog a few posts later. Csting a vote seeming randomly stands out far more than remaining silent, so ‘blending in’ is objectively false.

@clonedcheese

Im not sure that I see it as someome going “shit i have to do something”, rather “oh this is an easy target”

I think the vote comes from a lazy scum more than a panicked scum, but scum nonetheless.

I hadn’t been accused by anyone before entering the thread, so I really didn’t have to do anything whatsoever. I’ll ISO Cloned next, and then I’ll focus on someone else. Frog, maybe.

In any case, if I’m jumping on a wagon wildly for voting Leafia, Cloned is jumping on a wagon to vote me with flimsy justification.

@clonedcheese

@thepigeonnyc

/vote Leafia

High poster so maybe could be seizing thread plus the posts are mostly fluff and defensive

WhOA whoA

These two are

Cringe

@clonedcheese

@thepigeonnyc

I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1

If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI

These couple of posts come off as extremely weird to me in a way words cannot describe. These don’t feel like scumreads coming from Cloned. These feel like vote justifications.

@Trochilidae

@clonedcheese

That being said two separate people voting Leafia to L-2 and dipping is defonitely not a good look; if you cant do stuff justice, then wait until you can

Would vote one of magus/pigeon if not for the fact i am also going to sleep and i would prefer not to start a wagon before disappearing for 11 hours

finally, some sanity here. i’m still reading through the thread however i believe we’re along the same line of thinking here- may i ask if you agree with my earlier point about Magnus?

as for your second point. i will save you the trouble.
@Commando /vote Magnus

This makes sense, now. I’m being heavily accused for voting randomly, right before another player casts the same vote, on an already heavily voted player in a majority system. This ignores the fact that a D1 mislynch doesn’t really help Wolves, so I’d be ruining my own game as Mafia for trying this.

Here’s a counter proposal; we voted for different reasons, which coincidentally happened at the same time.

In case you’re wondering, this post is purely defence. I’m not scumreading here, although if I was I’d rather vote Cloned than Trochi right now. This isn’t justice.
/Unvote.

[BradLand]

@Gorta

everyone give your reasons

@BradLand

Like I can care less about Leafia using up her post count, like there’s people that just spam post and hit the cap as any alignment.

But the fact that she’s reacting to every single little thing, especially things like Cloned saying "first’ which is something he does every game and she’s probably seen as well, is not a good look.

@BradLand

Some people as mafia in the beginning of the game question or react to things that are usually jokes, messing around, or things that aren’t apart of the game in order to try to give off that they are comfortable in the thread. The numbering of the posts could just be a thing that looks pro-town in a vacuum to cover up anything else that they’re doing.

@BradLand

The main reason was that she’s over-reactive and going to things that if she was town she wouldn’t bother reacting to at all, like I said the ClonedCheese “first” post is something he’s done in every game and I’m sure she’s seen him do it plenty of times as well.
You brought up the “post count” thing and I simply stated why it can easily misclear her.

Also “Why do you scumread me, it’s only been an hour” is not a great defense either. I’ve caught mafia off of 2 posts in the beginning of a game.

I could’ve added more to this post but yeah just posting and reacting to every single little thing to try to make herself look “comfortable” in the thread.

Those were all my reasons that I stated.

[Host_Account_2]

votecountze

Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin, Frog	2/7
Magnus	Trochilidae, Leafia	2/7
Leafia	Illwei, thepigeonnyc	2/7
Not Voting	clonedcheese, Squirrel2412, Gorta, EliThePsycho, Professor, Bradland, Magnus	7

– katze (does one VC and then goes to sleep, gamer host moment)

[Trochilidae]

good morning all.

@Magnus

I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

why wouldn’t it be? i agree with what my predecessor said: everything game-related is AI. anyone should be expected to have to defend themselves with this sort of entrance.

@Magnus

Trochi claims I threw a vote on the leading wagon without understanding those votes,

yes, i did claim that. you said that you “could not give this game the justice that it deserves”, and the way you treated your vote implied that you had not heavily read through the thread prior to posting. a simple “in the meantime i’ll put my vote here” without even an agreement with the Leafia scum case- or your own reason for voting her told me that you hadn’t understood the wagon.

@Magnus

Csting a vote seeming randomly stands out far more than remaining silent, so ‘blending in’ is objectively false.

casting a vote on anyone other than the leading wagon would not have been blending in, as it is my point stands.

@Magnus

In any case, if I’m jumping on a wagon wildly for voting Leafia, Cloned is jumping on a wagon to vote me with flimsy justification.

you did jump on a wagon wildly to vote Leafia. cloned’s reasoning is something i can follow. (at least he had justification).

@Magnus

This makes sense, now. I’m being heavily accused for voting randomly, right before another player casts the same vote, on an already heavily voted player in a majority system.

i don’t understand the point you’re trying to make, please elaborate.

@Magnus

This ignores the fact that a D1 mislynch doesn’t really help Wolves, so I’d be ruining my own game as Mafia for trying this.

….excuse me? and how, pray tell, does a correct D1 yeet help them? why would you as Mafia be ruining your game by trying to accomplish your objective?

side note: our pet peeve is being read either way for something that is inherently NAI if you must have an explanation for your own side note.

[Leafia]

[quote=“Magnus, post:129, topic:311”]

@clonedcheese

@thepigeonnyc

I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1
[/quote]

If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI

These couple of posts come off as extremely weird to me in a way words cannot describe. These don’t feel like scumreads coming from Cloned. These feel like vote justifications.

This is something to think about at least. Good morning too everyone.

Cloned does have a weird feel to him honestly but I’m not about to scumread him just for that. First, I need to figure out if it’s t!weird or w!weird.

As for Professor, I have a hunch I know who he is and if I’m correct, he’s probably just a villager here.

@Frog

ABORT ABORT ABORT
LEAFIA IS YEET BAIT

ALSO I JUST REALIZED MAJORITY IS ENABLED DAY 1 LOL!!!

/VOTE PROFESSOR

PLEASE EXCUSE THE YELLING I’M HARD OF HEARING

As for this post from Frog, I don’t think a wolf ever looks at the wagon on me and makes this post so I’m fine with adding him to my towncore.

[Aelin]

Magnus sounds like he has a superiority complex related to the game, which is… interesting.

[Professor]

@Aelin

@Professor

I am just good at reading this player.

… yuh-huh. Forgive me for saying ‘no’ to that, but that’s the risk of alt’ing.

Fair enough. However, if your sole reason for voting me is your belief that I have TMI on Leafia, my explanation for my read and the justification of its strength is right here. I can’t prove that I am an authority on reading this player, however I think my presented knowledge of her psyche should be enough to demonstrate a decent understanding of her meta. Therefore what you might think is TMI is for me actually just another day at the office saving Leafia from being D1’ed once again.

@Aelin

Towncred down the line could come very easily. It could also set you up for chainsaws based off of “Leafia was so towny, I told you all this very early. The fact that you still pushed makes you very wolfy.” and gives you a lot of wiggle room.

This implies that my intention was to townread Leafia and yet allow her to die. Why did you make this assumption? Is it not clear from my posting that I have no intention of allowing her to be eliminated?

@Aelin

If I’m really trying to go out there, you and Frog are W/W and trying to make yourselves look unaligned based on taking polarized stances on Leafia so one of you can have major sway in the game no matter what happens afterwards, because if you are experienced with Leafia, you know that as town she tends to gravitate towards following people who are townreading her.

This worldbuilding is villagery, however, if you consider how likely it is Frog and I would decide at the start of the game to distance in an incredibly non-direct way by taking polarized stances on Leafia, you would probably come to the conclusion that this isn’t something likely to be deliberate… why not choose a more direct method, for instance?

@Illwei

@Professor

Do you think highly of your wolfgame?

Not in the slightest

Hmm. Illwei’s expectation for her post to be townread over Frog’s despite not thinking highly of her wolfgame is likely to come from a villager mindset as wolves don’t really expect their posts to be more villagery than villager posts concerning the same topic, especially ones who believe to be weaker. This read also holds if Frog is a wolf who Illwei believes is stronger than them.

@Illwei

Bk is town
Leafia is probably a wolf
Trochi is a wolf
Frog is town
Professor is a wolf

Can you explain any of these you haven’t already?

@Magnus

I cannot give this game the justice it deserves atm, and due to the post limit I would prefer to save my words for when it’s most valuable. I’ll share my thoughts sooner or later, hopefully before EoD.
In the meantime, I’ll jump on this vote. /Vote Leafia. (@Host_Account_2)

Why did you choose to join this wagon? How much of the thread had you read at the time?

@Trochilidae

i do not understand why a town member would enter the game and throw a vote on the leading wagon like this without any regard as to how it formed, or any effort to understand it.

This was my initial thought, however I cannot come up with a reason for them to do this as a wolf either. It’s possible that as a wolf they would be more wary of the backlash for jumping on the top wagon without any prior justification.

@thepigeonnyc

/vote Leafia
High poster so maybe could be seizing thread plus the posts are mostly fluff and defensive
Going to sleep now so I’ll probably get back to you in 8h

If I remember correctly the last time Pigeon decided to push the angle of high posters being wolfy at the start of the game he was mafia (PYMM2), and I don’t recall him trying to push this angle anywhere else. It’s possible I am misremembering, however I am most likely not, and this is probably just a wolf.

@thepigeonnyc

I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1

This post is indicative of a guilty conscience. As town Pigeon tends to be more carefree and generally doesn’t understand the scumreads shoved in his direction. The problem with Pigeon’s prediction that he will be scumread here is that the only similarity between his and Magnus’ post is that they both have votes on Leafia. Pigeon justified his vote and yet he still expects to be scumread for it, when the reason why Magnus was scumread was because his post lacked any justification or solving. Why would Pigeon expect to be scumread simply for voting Leafia? Because he knows Leafia is a villager, and putting a villager at L-1 this early is wolfy.

/vote Pigeon @Host_Account_2
I ought to start a new post considering the length of this one.

[Aelin]

@Professor

saving Leafia from being D1’ed once again.

Leafia doesn’t actually get D1’ed too often, from my recollection. However, the tone here is indicative of an overconfident villager.

[clonedcheese]

Hi hello people

@Magnus

These couple of posts come off as extremely weird to me in a way words cannot describe. These don’t feel like scumreads coming from Cloned. These feel like vote justifications.

Very good analysis!

They are, indeed, vote justifications

Yes popping in like that is eyebrow-raising, but I would think it’s not scum AI in a vacuum. I wanted to throw as much shade as possible, to see if people would j go along with it or call me out on it.

More specifically, this:

@clonedcheese

If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI

I pulled this out of my ass
I dont think ive even played a game with scum pigeon, and if i have i cant remember

With that, lets see if anyone has taken my bait

Brad

@BradLand

/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Host_Account_2

If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town

Heres one that took the bait!

Saw someone else that was sussing Pigeon and just went for it

The full justification doesnt seem good either:

@BradLand

I actually put my vote on Pigeon for a weird over-explained but bad reasoned vote on Leafia, then immediately saying “Oh no, I’m going to get yeeted Day 1!” which was super awkward and performative as if he planned on saying it.
However when I went back to read his reasoning, it looks like he actually read what Leafia was posting? So I might’ve jumped the gun on him.

Very quick to back off and hedge under the slightest bit of pressure

I think we got one bois

Magnus

@Magnus

Cloned is jumping on a wagon to vote me with flimsy justification.

Very good callout, only slightly undercut bu the fact that i was accusing them

Still willing to put in my v leans thought; the initial behavior is NAI for magnus iirc

Trochi

@Trochilidae

you did jump on a wagon wildly to vote Leafia. cloned’s reasoning is something i can follow. (at least he had justification).

Not entirely sure whether Trochi is this adamant about their reads as scum

Willing to put in “conf bias town” for now

Leafia

@Leafia

Cloned does have a weird feel to him honestly but I’m not about to scumread him just for that. First, I need to figure out if it’s t!weird or w!weird.

Good callout as well of iffy behavior

The “idk if this is t or w” i think is emblematic of t!Leafia, so willing to let this live today

/vote BradLand @Host_Account_2

Caught scum dybudabu

[clonedcheese]

Trochi be real with me here did you like this post for the analysis or for the dybudabu

[Trochilidae]

i’m at work and thus liking posts i have the intent to respond to when i have the time. i’m afraid i don’t know what you mean by dybu dabu, but i will assume it’s a joke i don’t exactly remember.

[Aelin]

I think cloned/brad is either W/V or V/W
I’m not sure which side is which though

[Aelin]

Idk why my brain is just screaming it while I’m reading these

[clonedcheese]

Go sleep or smth

Take a break