[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

[Frog]

@Squirrel2412

frog town
aelin town

you town?
cloned town?
illwei town?

leaf ??
magnus ??
gorta ??
eli ??
trochi ??

prof scum?

pigeon scum

number of question marks indicates confidence in read

@Squirrel2412

Brad feels pretty town to me; we’ve had some similar thoughts about the game and he’s been making points that I like. By extension, I’m also going to sheep his read on illwei because those two have a lot more experience with each other than I do iirc.

Already mentioned in my wall about how Eli’s post about pigeon felt forced, so I’d be fine with an Eli wagon today.

Trochi… I have no opinion on. I’m wary of approaching their posts tonally, which is also my primary method of reading people, but I’m also concerned that they’re ML bait.

If we had to thunderdome Prof and Frog, I’d prefer to vote Prof first. The push on cloned wasn’t great (not just at eod, but earlier into d1), nor was the conclusion that the wagons were W/W. That said… I’d prefer not to thunderdome those two today, since I think both are still >rand town.

Leafia is probably town. Her reads feel natural and in the very least feel like an improvement over previous games we’ve played together, so I’m interested to see where this goes. On a related note, I consider Prof’s defense of Leaf to be NAI, since t!Prof would defend Leaf instead of pushing her, and w!Prof would defend Leaf for the towncred.

@Squirrel2412

In order of how much I want to vote them:

Trochilidae - opener today was pretty sketchy; there’s no point in scumcasing a dead townie in your opening wall, and putting that in there is pretty LAMIST in my opinion. The rest of the post was ~decent, but I’m also concerned about them casing eli and then never following up with gorta - this looks to me like a wolf hunting for an easy misyeet and sticking with the easiest target.

…also, pushing me for killing prof in order to hop into towncore doesn’t make sense. It’s somehow turning the fact that I can make longer, more insightful posts into me being a wolf, and I don’t like that.

Illwei - the issue with this slot is that I’m pretty sure I want to read this based off of effort (illwei tends to try harder in town games than in scum games). Except we’re in a light game, so this means absolutely nothing and I can’t trust this read.

Eli - isn’t doing a lot this game. I don’t think that’s AI, but in a vacuum I’m not opposed to this getting exed because we need contributing town in endgame.

Gorta - tracker claim is ~reasonable and feels like the sort of thing that should be townread because it’s a bit dumb to attract attention to yourself in a 6 v 3, but I have the sinking suspicion that gorta does whatever they want regardless of whether it makes sense for their alignment.

[this is the line between the people I’m fine with yeeting today and the people I’m not]

Frog - posts feel pretty organic, and frog’s certainly putting a lot of effort into this game… but if I had to choose which of my townreads was most likely to be a powerwolf, it would be frog. The fact that they’re agreeing with trochi (my top scumread) isn’t really helping that case either.

Leafia - I’d like to sheep prof, but leaf is making this difficult by making posts that feel tonally scummy to me, even though I know that I just read leaf poorly.

Aelin - we don’t ever vote here today. I am blatantly sheeping professor regarding this read.

Brad - feels decently solvy, we’ve mindmelded throughout the thread, and I don’t really see much of a point in w!brad defending me (I don’t have that much thread influence, so getting me on his side has minimal value, and keeping me from getting yeeted just increases the chance that town hits scum).

Worldbuilding:

Do I think that the wolfteam is made entirely out of trochi/illwei/eli/gorta? No. I think it more likely than not that there’s at least 1 wolf out of frog/aelin, because I really don’t think town misyeets 2 people in a row without there being at least one wolf with some degree of thread control.

But do I think that we should thunderdome frog/aelin today? No. They’re both townier than trochi/illwei/eli/gorta and I don’t think we should yeet them before people who are objectively scummier than they are.

It would also feel dumb to vote Squirrel today I think, just looking over their progression

[Aelin]

@Frog

Are they playing the game? Yes
Are they pushing for interactions? Yes
Compared to the rest of the game, are they actually considering wold views for solves and adapting? Yes

So like, it’s not hard to see Trochi doesn’t care if they get yeeted, they’re putting in the work and effort and it feels dumb to vote there today always

Feels like they definitely care if they get yeeted
I think anyone who has the capability to do so posts when they’re on death’s row, so I think the activity is NAI
However the content is mostly good
Not to the degree where I go “off the table” but it’s also why I’m not going “the only wagon should be trochi with no cw” and also because I’m not a fucking idiot

[Frog]

@aelin
@Squirrel2412

I think Trochi is the wrong place to go TODAY

I think Eli / Illwei wagons are always the way to go just on the probability that one of them contains at least one wolf is very high

I think it would be monumnetally dumb to vote either of you today, just like I think it would be classically dumb to vote for trochi here. We’re all players I can see who have been putting in effort into solving and playing. I’m not saying this is a pure group, I’m saying this is a dumb group to vote into TODAY

And yes, I’m fully aware of the way that certain individuals are nicely set up to pivot between Schrodinger’s Angles of “Frog is power wolfing” and “Frog is setting up for the omega bus, look out” but I’m choosing not to pursue that at this time

I’d like to focus on playing and managing common sense votes for TODAY

TODAY it’s just as simple as who is coasting and not actually playing, and that’s all it should be today

Does this make sense?

[Leafia]

Makes sense to me and heading out now, but I’ll be back by EoD, so talk to everyone then.

[Leafia]

Oh yeah, forgot something. This:

[Leafia]

Just realized I forgot to vote for Illeei. /vote Illwei @Host_Account_2

[Host_Account_2]

Day 3 VC

Voted	Voters	Votes
illwei	Trochilidae, Gorta, Leafia	3/5
Trochilidae	Squirrel2412, Aelin	2/5
Squirrel2412	illwei	1/5
Not Voting	Frog, BradLand, EliThePsycho	3

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[Leafia]

You have Aelin in the not voting category as well as voting Trochi.

[Squirrel2412]

mmmm fine

/unvote

@Host_Account_2

[Squirrel2412]

I’ll compare the ISOs of illwei/eli/gorta after lunch and probably vote then

unless that results in putting someone at L-1

[Leafia]

Good idea honestly and heading back out for RL now too.

[Host_Account_2]

Day 3 VC

Voted	Voters	Votes
illwei	Trochilidae, Gorta, Leafia	3/5
Trochilidae	Aelin	1/5
Squirrel2412	illwei	1/5
Not Voting	Frog, BradLand, EliThePsycho, Squirrel2412	4

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[Trochilidae]

notice that i haven’t died been getting yelled at at work all day
should be here at EOD reading up when i can

[Frog]

@ElizaThePsycho
Gorta makes this claim today:

@Gorta

I have a one shot tracker that I used on Professor last night

Just looked through your ISO and I noticed you haven’t spoken to Illwei or about Illwei

This is Illwei’s take:

@Illwei

gorta is probably a wolf

Can I ask for your take on Illwei and Gorta here please?

[Frog]

@Illwei

gorta is probably a wolf

@Illwei

Talk to me about Gorta’s claim here

Also:

@BradLand

G2Head I would have Eli/Leafia/maybe Magnus?

@Illwei

Swap eli for aelin and we found the scumteam

You mention Eli here, and it’s in context of removing them from the POE, why?

Previously these were your only mentions of Eli:

@Illwei

/vote Eli

@Illwei

i forgot that eli is eli

/vote professor

Talk to me about what was going through your head here please

[Squirrel2412]

lunch took longer than anticipated

isos incoming

[Leafia]

Okay. We’re eagerly awaiting them. For once I have plenty of posts left and less than 30 minutes until the post cap is lifted, so I don’t need to conserve them.

[Frog]

I want to bounce ideas off of you while I’m waiting for especially eli and illwei’s pop-ins, but I also don’t want to talk about stuff until they’ve shown up, so I’m just going to be here waiting

[Leafia]

I can understand why too. I wish they’d show up already. I hope they don’t miss EoD. That wouldn’t be good.

[Gorta]

I’m here