How am I even the one being toxic? Oh my god, I’m not even doing anything wrong here, Arete was insulting how I play directly and you expect me not to say something back??
we’re not doing this
Then maybe don’t say anything, it’s that simple, Marshal
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Nothings going on.
@Arete can you explain your read on me? You’ve barely done that so far, all you’ve done is quiz me
sure
and I kind of think that your instinctive response to my push on you being ‘Arete is being mean’ rather than ‘Arete could be a wolf’ comes from a place of TMI that I am a villager/ concern about looking OMGUS-y
and separately I think your response to pressure from other non-Arete people has been kind of bad, such as how your initial response to YBW was to try to discredit him because ‘he wasn’t making an accusation’ even though he was really obviously accusing you of being a wolf
I think you responding to me by being like ‘well I never make reads early!!! also the only way I have to prove my alignment is to be toxic’ is bad but not in a wolfy way and that you being like ‘Arete is being a dick by criticizing my playstyle whatsoever’ is also bad but not in an alignment-indicative way
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The thing you quoted, I already gave a response too:
No, I never called your push on me mean. You didn’t state much of a push on me to begin with, all you did was vote me, all I called harsh was you saying that I played bad, which was out of the blue and uncalled for, but clearly that won’t be mentioned anywhere whatsoever. Not to mention, you did literally admit to you intentionally trying to annoy me. More on this part later.
I was talking about his quotes, but once again, you’re selectively ignoring the things I say that contradict this, you’re just saying the same thing over and over again while ignoring the things I say in response. Granted later on I did respond to this by saying I believe his push was bad, but you haven’t even commented on that post so I really doubt you’re talking about it.
First of all, this was a JOKE POST.
As indicated by the literal 
at the end of it, I was making a joke towards the fact that people joke about only being able to read me by AtE and I was making a joke about how I was going to refuse to be toxic this game, yet you took it seriously for whatever reason and attacked me personally, once again, more on this in a moment.
This was completely correct, out of the blue you decided you’d say “Your play style sucks, this is 100% serious”, with no reason or context whatsoever and then you expected me not to retaliate with anything, I was trying to be calm when I saw it which is why I questioned you on it a bit, but when you said it was serious, you just completely annoyed me then, and I’m still not forgiving you for any reason on why you would even randomly say something like that, even with context, it’s still just uncalled for.
And while on the topic of things that are bad in a non-alignment indicative way, I feel like your intentional annoyance of me is bad, and then taking offence and getting annoyed when I give you a response of someone who is annoyed, I feel like you deciding to go out of your way to annoy me is bad but not in an alignment-indicative way and I feel like you specifically doing this to me is bad but not in an alignment-indicative way. What did you expect to get out of going out of your way to annoy me, a medal?
i don’t know how that possibility enters your brain when i’m not going out of my way to ML you, as you stated
“make marshal look worse by expressing a vague wolfread on her so she gets shot in the night” is a huge reach/stretch/whatever and i’ve no idea why your mind jumped to that
mehhhh
outed wolf didn’t sub out, therefore they are town
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to be clear the comment about trying to annoy you was somewhat flippant
probably a better phrasing would have been ‘I do genuinely believe that you are >rand wolf, and I am pushing you on that basis, but I am also pushing you because I expect that in responding to pressure you will likely make your alignment obvious, and because I think that if people are slightly-more-aggressive than is strictly warranted based on how wolfy someone is this will produce a better outcome than if people are slightly-less-aggressive’
re: me criticising your playstyle if you want me to lie to you instead I can do that but by default I generally try to say true things and not false ones in my interpersonal interactions (like, you know, a normal human being)
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i’m reading marshal’s read on me and it’s a very strange read because it relies on a lot of assumptions about how my pushes as town differ from my pushes as mafia
and the thought about me possibly deliberately making her look worse so she get suibombed later is kinda strange considering how far-reaching it is
all i’ve done was express a somewhat vague wolfread and the marshal wagon is currently sitting at one vote (my vote) so hm
also by shot in the night i meant suibombed during the day because there’s no kp in the day
dude they’re literally an outed wolf?????
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This is going nowhere, but I will say.
I don’t want you to criticise my playstyle during the game, especially when you just made it clear you’re going out of your way to annoy me and especially what happened the last time this whole thing occured with someone criticizing me during the game and everyone got annoyed. Also, why is that literally the only thing you commented on out of my entire wallpost, there were so many things in that post I wanted you to comment on
these, comment on these:
I don’t just write this sort of stuff towards you for you to just ignore
there’s nothing wrong with marshal’s take really if i’m being honest
but it is a mildly strange take so i had to think on it for a bit
for the record i think the wazza wagon is >rand a wagon on a villager and i’m really starting to think arete’s just a wolf here
/vote Arete @Host_Account_1 ping pong
if i vote most people in the game today with thin excuses to shift between wagons then my vote accuracy will be above 0%
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What is wolfy about arete?
basically, i think arete can be townier than this, and they aren’t
their engagement with wazza is something i don’t really like, because i feel like they made an argument out of nothing, and it’s currently absorbing a lot of the thread’s attention; i don’t get the sense they’re actually being inquisitive, but rather, they are setting up a misyeet
their handling of my slot is also very much an arm’s length method of engagement whereas i think town arete would care more about solving my slot and get me to engage on things
when I put it in quote marks that wasn’t meant to imply it was a direct quote, the thing I was referring to was the fact that, again, you didn’t consider whatsoever how my push on you affected my alignment, you just complained about the fact that I was pushing you
I think that when he says ‘Wazza is a wolf’ ‘also here are quotes that are similar to a wolfgame’ the accusation is obvious even if they are technically two different posts and that you focusing on the fact that the quotes post didn’t also say ‘here is why Wazza is a wolf’ was designed to make his push look worse without actually addressing literally anything that’s actually relevant
saving this for when wazza flips mafia, arete flips town, and i get to cry over my life choices
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min can be town too for nebulous reasons related to engagement and that one post they made earlier in the game that pinged me v
v:
ybw
atlas
min
so you think arete engaging the amount they are with wazza compared to other people is wolf ai? @Vulgard
if i goty that wrong sorry