Interesting! Can you quote a couple for me? Have you caught wolf pigeon in the past early? I feel like others have been eyeing the pigeon, but I forget who now and a quick scroll made it hard to find.
Going to call it a night now, so good night everyone. 
I’d somewhat agree but I don’t like Magnus here RN and want them to respond to the post I made on them.
I feel like they could be trying to manipulate a back to back Pigeon (-) Leafia ML with Squid and lead them into Night 2 already being in a perfect position at that point.
I know it’s a reach but that’s the vibe I’m getting.
Like all of these posts don’t even look like he believes the reads he is saying
The post on jaiden is overconfident for the content he’s calling wolfy, he actively is fueling the many inaccurate reads on leafia when he knows better and has played with her enough to know leafias scumrange is more than “she gets defensive”, the third post is simply just blatantly self aware in a wolfy way, and the last one is literally not a post anyone makes and again poses with the confidence he has. It simply just gives me the impression he has agenda and is pushing villagers (or even his scummates) regardless he just doesn’t seem to even believe his posts
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I can see all of this. Have you played with pigeon enough as town to note this is different from their own town range?
I disappeared for an hour because I was walking back home… -_-
First of all, my bad. I must have misread Mist’s post, because I wasn’t under the impression that Pigeon and Eliza were being linked, which… I’m not actually sure how I came to that realisation. In any case, I was utterly certain I was right, and I’ve only now realised the extent of my error. My mistake, my bad, I’m sorry, now I’m moving on because I don’t think it’s a big deal.
Town has the advantage playing both proactively and reactively; the more posts attributed to one player, the more information we have regarding them, the more we can accurately determine their alignment and train of thought. This is the reason why minimal posters are an annoyance for the Town to identify, as there’s less data involving them. This is another reason why certain Mafia wolves prefer to post as minimally as possible without appearing suspicious, so Town investigate each other instead and reach the wrong conclusions.
Alternatively, Mafia wolves may post as regularly as a Town member would, hoping to appear villagery. I don’t need to explain this science in-depth, it’s just so we’re on the same page.
In worlds where Leafia is a villager, she’s posting early to increase the number of posts attributed to her, without particularly minding whether she’s seen as Town or Mafia. I’ll jump to a latest post to explain Leafia’s claim, which will make sense later.
There’s more to this than meets the eye: in actuality, I tend to function under a similar modus operandi, so I understand how this works.
When Leafia rolls Town, she knows she’s a villager and doesn’t expect to have to justify herself every minute of the day. She doesn’t reflect on the wording of her posts. Ultimately, Leafia doesn’t reexamine her behaviour in order to appear like a villager, when instead she can read posts, share her thoughts, and help win the game.
When Leafia rolls Mafia, the script is reversed. Suddenly, having all eyes on her isn’t going to win the game, and she suddenly needs to reexamine her behaviour to act as a villager would. She might distance from suspicious wolves for the sake of appearing more good, as an example. The question is whether her posts appear natural or unnatural, and I’m writing this current report under the assumption she’s good.
Leafia’s still in the “RQP (Random Questions Phase)” mindset, which can be seen by her surprise here.
Leafia’s initially defensive, because she doesn’t particularly feel the need to defend herself as a Townie. She doesn’t tunnel Apo for the read and backs off, since she’s trying to help catch Mafia and tunnelling on someone might prove adverse.
As said earlier, inactivity is the bane of all social deduction. I pinged Epitau myself earlier, because these players need to be brought online for everyone to interact with. It wasn’t Leafia’s fault I wasn’t online. I’m not sure she knows my timezone.
Leafia’s providing reads and doesn’t freak out at a vote, although she’s quite clearly alluding to her meta here. Leafia’s known for having acted suspicious before, and therefore she expects to be left alone because it’s in her character.
I personally disagree with this statement, but okay. You can feel jittery while playing as Mafia while still having fun.
I don’t get this response to May’s vote. This would suggest Leafia scumreads May, and yet she seems to suspect Pigeon, myself and sometimes Achromatic as well. There are only four wolves.
(To Pigeon.)
(About Achro.)
If Leafia is Town, I would towncore Zorvo and Mist, with Pigeon and Achromatic as likely suspects. Eliza would be a townlean.
First person down. Started writing this post 40 minutes ago, geez.
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Now you can restate your opinion on Squid as your opinion on them to me looked like you were trying to make stuff up to make Squid Seem better then they are.
I don’t like this.
Because again it goes to the Squid Partner (Leafia + Pigeon ML) Theory.
If Magnus is a wolf they are scary. That was some good flipped perspective analysis for Leafia.
Can you go into your v leafia read tree? What post stood out in v!leafia world for those four people?
“Doesn’t currently believe is the case” I explained why I haven’t liked Squid so far and you gave a werid response with them.
The only thing that kinda negates that is the fact Mist for some reason agrees with Squid.
You also mentioning Eliza makes me eyes boggle again.
I’m sorry but I’ll make a quick argument here.
Squid looks worse then Pigeon on a Leafia!Town Flip because Squid was trying to engage Pigeon to continue to make Leafia look bad.
Mafia sometimes play as the influencers to get a wrong town to keep pushing another town harder so they are an easy ML afterwards.
If Squid is wolf I think this always means Jaiden is V lmao.
They seem to be posting without much guile so far, so I find it hard to believe they are already trying to link mislynches.
The issue is they never cared to interact with Magnus on anything about Leafia, but when Pigeon brought up the Eliza!Leafia Concern, Squid Opportunistically jumped in there.
Because it’s like. I felt both sides.
I felt the obvious side of which Leafia is certain type of player that you have to read a bit differently to get a solid read on.
But I actually did feel an odd feeling of Eliza!Leafia partner, However,
I immediately scratched that idea due to the fact I agreed with what Eliza had to say and I’d probably have said that to or something similar.
But what really bothered me is the fact Magnus calls me out but never even brings up Eliza.
Again, Squid/Magnus/Eliza seem most probable to me RN.
I don’t disagree.
Hm, I didn’t exactly read it like that but it is possible. I have never played with Squid before so I dont know their MO. You have some experience with them I think? They mentioned you.
But a lot of wolves when called out on their wolf-shading perspective aren’t that great at reversing and ceding when someone asks for them to do the reverse. I don’t know about all of the conclusions, but the thoughts felt credible to me. I don’t know Magnus’ wolf range at all but if they have a reputation as a bad wolf then that is pretty telling ;o.
Zorvo do you tend to find wolves within their first ten posts? I am not trying to shoot you down, but what you are doing is known as pre-flipping and boy has it burned me alive a lot in mountainous games.
What do you think of the game so far if Squid if a V and it was just a happy little coincidence? What does the lack of Squid as wolf mean for Magnus and Eliza?
Very little.
I remember that I was the cause of them going over in a CFD I believe and they flipped wolf and we’re not even present for the rest of that day lolz.
Feels Bad Man.
Number is irrelevant, I look at each post they make and evaluate it, I don’t care how many they make.
Sure I may missed posts but I definitely respond to ones that catch my eye.
I gtg to sleep though I work in the morning.
I work during week days.
Remind me to get back to these questions or maybe I’ll remind myself, we will see.
Goodnight!
The only change this makes is regarding that specific interaction with Mist.
Pigeon votes Leafia without explaining reasoning beforehand, and suggests the possibility of Leafia/Eliza as a scumteam. It’s worth noting that this looks like he would’ve been trying to take the heat off me, although this only works in a w/w with Pigeon and I, which I personally know isn’t the case. Still, the rest of you should keep that in mind.
Mist explains how the vote on Leafia makes sense, without actually calling Leafia mafia. Zorvo’s reminded me that Mist townread Leafia at this stage, and Pigeon accusing Eliza was strange. As has already been made apparent, Pigeon and Eliza aren’t w/w here.
Squid reiterates Mist’s speech, and indicates that Leafia is Mafia with Eliza as Town, and suggesting Pigeon presumably as a second Mafia. Of course, Squid would only need to do this as Mafia, which leaves us to wonder why Pigeon would raise this possibility as Town in the first place. Pigeon and Eliza probably aren’t both Mafia, and if Squid’s a wolf trying to throw shade on Leafia… I suppose Eliza wouldn’t need to be Mafia in this outcome.
If Squid’s Town, she’s just cruising (which lines up with the “braincells not working” lines from earlier).
If Squid’s Mafia, the scumteam may be Squid/Eliza with Pigeon acting weird for no apparent reason.