GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

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@Vulgard

Oh I think a wolf simply wouldn’t bother with the early posting like May’s and it would be hard for a wolf to write all that

This is worryingly level 1 of you but /shrug

[Vulgard]

I’m checking Magnus’s read on me in Kaguya, and he did wolfread me there on day 1 as well, but it wasn’t a preflip wolfread like the one he gave here.

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New likebot

[Vulgard]

@min

This is worryingly level 1 of you but /shrug

Is May an excellent wolf or something? I think the clear’s perfectly fine.

[Zorvo]

@Vulgard

Can you give examples?

I skimmed and seen these:

@Marluxion

this part is what pinged me mostly
there is a lot of assuming happening here and very little actual deduction
it’s like it’s assuming he’s town and trying to explain his behavior that way

@Marluxion

I wanted to wait for Silviu to post more but if people are gonna be hung up on me not saying it’s best to just talk about it instead

@Marluxion

ybw’s posts have weird energy like they have something to prove
only reason i can see for that is if they are wolf

9/150

[Magnus]

@Vulgard

I’m still miffed about it, because he didn’t solve the game this way in Kaguya, unless I’m misremembering his approach.

The game is there if you feel like I’m contradicting my past behaviour. I also have town games in Morbtainado as well as Flicker, although I died relatively early in Flicker.

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@Silviu200530

So like are you guys arguing whenever Vul is evil or not?) Though I am willing to give Vul the benefit of the doubt because Magnus pointed out that Vul isn’t doing something characteristic to him when Vul is actually doing something characteristic to him based on a very early quote of Vul that I’ve digged up.

Everyone has their own social interpretations, and I sometimes like to make waves when the thread’s stagnating. It’s not a hardaccuse.

[Silviu200530]

Anyways, I need to put some reads down so I can get a navigation point.

YBW - From what I’m reading, I’m seeing them only theorizing about some of the stuff he’s commenting on, like his response to Vul analyzing his opener, but I have to appreciate that YBW is standing inside the spotlight more than often, from as far as I can remember metawise he doesn’t quite appear as often. I will wait for him to like give me more stuff to work with, but I think I’m leaning him as town for now for his responsiveness.

Marl - I feel he’s town for not being too sure whenever I’m mafia and t!Marl has a tendency to not like having chances to speak to anyone to bounce his ideas off of . I can’t tell how’s w!Marl, I am picturing if he was wolf he would act kind of reckless because from what I’ve seen the guy hates being wolf, For now I think he sounds town because he acts like his usual town leader persona, I hope that doesn’t go bad.

Hmmm Lemon sounds like she’s pinpointing where her progress is going and also explaining it. Like this one.

GOAT^2 - Game Thread (15/15) - Day 1

the obviously not serious ones should not be taken seriously i.e., the ones that just say town, scum, or mafia without any other comments the ones that are less sure are more serious takes it’s spoilered because it’s a wall and I was thinking people wouldn’t want to scroll past that

I feel w!Lemon would like be more shy to pretend that she would do meaningful content inside the thread, but I really have to ISO her to get the full picture of what she’s doing, beside literally reading her post of her commenting back to Vul and that’s all

Vul has a weird negative synergy with Magnus, I don’t like it. Vul seems to be full on investigative like very early into the day, I feel he’s alright for now, though I need to speak to 'em.

Magnus is being very weird with his meta on Vul, what is he up to?

Molly, I am considering to OMGUS them because I do not do not like when people don’t explain their votes, because well this is like Phraze, she simply exists inside the thread, she either leaves a vote on random progress she isn’t explaining it or she’s strategically posting her vote like in Flicker but that’s not evident because she still ain’t explaining it. Basically, I want to really know why you’re voting for a person, otherwise I will just vote you.

Trollo I suppose is there I will sit on the fence regarding his slot.

Eliza… sigh, I hope she steps up her game

lol just… exists, I guess.

VOTE: Molly, I will OMGUS them for now as I do not like votes on me especially when I don’t understand 'em.

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Based off of their recent game I’m going to assume if they’re good as town they’re good enough to post at least the same amount as mafia

Also zorvo is likely town

[Silviu200530]

@Vulgard

Why was it “too deep?”

I have a perception that early posts aren’t very precise alignment-wise, so I think people leaving their thoughts on openers and especially on a single post sounds kind of “searching too deep” for me. Which meh it’s not like you’re commiting a sin or anything.

@Vulgard

How can I be arguing whether I’m mafia?

Uhhhh, I don’t think I’m literally saying that you are trying to argue that you are a wolf. I am wondering if you are trying to defend against Magnus’ accusations towards you or if you are discussing about something else.

@Magnus

Why did you ping me twice in the same post?

Because “upside down” is two words.

Also did my link on the read post not load? Thanks alot discourse

[lol]

@Zorvo

I don’t know what your talking about, I asked you why it was 50 as I said we all know it’s 150 so I think your post was bad and this is how you chose to respond is LOL.

we? you mean “me and my mafia goons”? lol

[Vulgard]

@min

Based off of their recent game I’m going to assume if they’re good as town they’re good enough to post at least the same amount as mafia

That really doesn’t apply to a lot of players. I know a lot of good villagers who are significantly worse as mafia and simply can’t emulate what they do. I’m not necessarily calling May a bad wolf (I don’t know how good they are, this is why I asked) but their posting by itself is >>rand V IMO.

Fwiw I have another reason to townread May like this but I don’t want to reveal it unless I have to.

@Silviu200530

I am wondering if you are trying to defend against Magnus’ accusations towards you or if you are discussing about something else.

I think his accusations are bad. He’s wolfreading me early into day 1 for the second game in a row. He was wrong in the previous game, and yet he scumreads me here as well, because I’m allegedly different from my Kaguya game (which I am not) and because I supposedly asked Brad a pointless question in RVS, which is objectively false because I cared about the answer and followed it up while everyone else wasn’t doing much of note. He’s preflipping me mafia and ‘solving’ me by unaligning me with certain players, which is a questionable idea on its own (backwards solving) and even within that idea his solving is weak because he’s unaligning me with several players off some posts in RVS that don’t form strong unaligns at all, while also claiming that he respects my wolfgame (and therefore he shouldn’t be unaligning me based on simple interactions).

His worldview just doesn’t make sense to me internally, and it’s highlighted by the fact he was literally just wrong on my alignment so he shouldn’t open with the exact same read on me and preflip me mafia. It’s also not how he solved my slot in the last game. He claims that preflipping people in hypotheticals is his methodology, but I’m reading his Kaguya ISO and that is not what he’s doing there, which makes me think he’s lying (it’s not his ‘methodology,’ he just made a bad read on me). His wolfread on me in that game is also wrong, but he’s judging my slot on its actions instead of preflipping it and making unaligns. I also think his read on me in that game is better (despite its incorrectness) but I recognize I could be biased.

I’m giving Magnus space, because I want to see if he’s actually going to deliver on this “methodology” of his, but to be completely honest, I already think he’s lying and he just made a bad wolfread on me. My mind might change later but right now I really believe that. The reason I’m not piledriving Magnus is a combination of wanting to give him some time + recognizing that since he’s wolfreading me I’m inherently going to be biased to some degree. The latter is also why I asked Marl about his assessment of what’s happening.

I don’t want to wrap the thread around me and Magnus, but if he doesn’t improve until EoD, I want him to be the elim. I’ll let you know if I change my mind.

[Silviu200530]

I’m going to assume that you’re scumreading Seth ova’ here. Would you love to bounce off some ideas about that?

[Vulgard]

@Silviu200530

@Vulgard

Why was it “too deep?”

I have a perception that early posts aren’t very precise alignment-wise, so I think people leaving their thoughts on openers and especially on a single post sounds kind of “searching too deep” for me. Which meh it’s not like you’re commiting a sin or anything.

Fair enough, I suppose. Different perspectives.

Did you change your playstyle recently? Your posting feels remarkably different.

[Silviu200530]

I wanted to see how it is to post wallposts (because the game will force me to anyways as I can’t highpost to 400posts per Day in here) and I find it to be enjoyable actually. Even though I can think what I am going to write, meh I forget to proofread

[Host_Account_1]

Votecount

KingTroll (2): Lemonfairy, May
mollylikesorigami (2): min, Silviu200530
May (1): lol
ElizathePyscho (1): YoubutWorse
Lemonfairy (1): KingTroll
lol (1): Zorvo
Silviu200530 (1): mollylikesorigami
Vulgard (1): O.kazo
BradLand (1): Marluxion

Not Voting (4): BradLand, ElizaThePsycho, Magnus, Vulgard

[Marluxion]

Vernacular in the wall mostly
The way they go through their processes feels too transparent to be fake

[Vulgard]

@min

VOTE: mollylikesorigami

I thought you were going to explain this and then you didn’t.

[KingTroll]

useless d1 catchup wallpost don't read

@BradLand

Town:
May
Marl
Zorvo
Eliza

That’s better.

interesting

@Silviu200530

Also meta-read for Trollo, not sure how effective this is, this is just a blind guess as people can literally be different when they’re playing FM, like me right now. This is the first time in like 5y+ he decided to play again. I would presume Trollo would be hyperactive and I suppose impulsive when an upsetting situation arises, but no worries, I don’t think he will done legit get Happy Tree House levels of upset.

don’t try to metaread me like this bro it makes me suspicious! but my hyperactive urges are very much sated by making all of the funny gray hearts pink instead. when i start paying attention to the game then you can try to read me

@Zorvo

There was absolutely no reason to do this post and add the “73/150” I think Lol isn’t aligned with Marluxion only because Marluxion was mentioning previously about putting a random number in the vote count marker but actually having more of a progression why and never actually did it where lol just straight out performs it.

VOTE: lol

interesting

@lol

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no… no!!! this pains me. jokerfying moment

@Magnus

I like disagreeing with people. It means I’m more likely to be engaged with in conversation.

you are objectively wrong

@Magnus

Share with the class.

no it’s a town read. i never share my town reads d1 because i’m always right on them and i don’t want to give scum a checklist of people to kill

@Vulgard

This seems villagery.

no it isn’t i’d do that as either alignment

@YoubutWorse

This doesnt ring true to me, or at least isnt the line of thinking that I go about. Wolfs cant only look town, they have to accomplish their goals as well. A wolf bussing a ton of people and looking as towny as possible may work, but its safer to just get a town execution rather than a wolf execution because even though a wolf execution makes the wolf look more towny. This seems like word jumble so lmk if this is incomprehensible lmao

this is all true

@YoubutWorse

Eh I kinda disagree. Not that I have a strong read on troll, but Im kinda weary of people who post like “haha im town but Im so scummy and scum are gonna get me mis-exed”

oh i’m not scummy i’m obv town. i’m just horribly bad at wolf reads

@Vulgard

@YoubutWorse

@KingTroll Any thoughts about the game right now? You’ve been liking a lot of posts, so it looks like you’ve been reading stuff

okay now that i’m caught back up to this point: no no thoughts head empty (i am going to stay in my rvs form until we’re at least halfway through the first day because i don’t know any of you people)

@Silviu200530

That’s curious, I mentioned in the same post that this is the first time he played in 5 years (or possibly more), I have to wonder how you reached such a conclusion?

you’re slandering me my guy! slandering. you should be lying and saying i’ve won 100 mafia games in the last month

@KingTroll

rn I’m still on my phone so I’ve set a few bookmarks to comment on when I get to a keyboard dw

hi me i’m on a keyboard

@min

New likebot

beep boop i am a robot

@Silviu200530

lol just… exists, I guess.

lol has done some ai stuff imo

and i’m caught up

[Marluxion]

@Silviu200530

That’s curious, I mentioned in the same post that this is the first time he played in 5 years (or possibly more), I have to wonder how you reached such a conclusion?

I saw that, but why would that have any bearing on what I said in my post you’re responding to?

[Marluxion]

My post is talking about you, not him