GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[BradLand]

I probably pissed him off by doing this.

[Vulgard]

I’m looking into May’s posts about you two in the next few hours and then I’ll make my decision because literally every single one of you seems to have a different team

[BradLand]

Note the amount of performative nature in all of it.

[Vulgard]

Why do you think the performativeness is AI

[Vulgard]

And why is it wolf AI instead of town AI
I have my own answer to this question but I want to hear yours

[BradLand]

Basically act like they’re catching someone in a “gotcha” moment when reading through and word and style it out in a more attention grabbing manner.
Also make it seem like she’s really in the moment and really cares about just convincing people that she’s right on me being mafia rather than taking the time to figure context out and ask the questions.

[Vulgard]

Brad what would you have done differently in this game if you were a wolf

[Vulgard]

Okay so I opened May’s ISO and the first thing I saw was this:

“Please don’t think too hard about the discrepency between my marked time zone and my hours of activity.”

Idk if this was here before but uh

May-be you should fix that?

[BradLand]

Significantly less.

1. I probably do less attempted solving early Day 1 and go into less detail between Silviu and Kazo.
2. I don’t rag on Marl like I did on Day 2 because I got annoyed about not being townread as town. There were games before on MU like the EM Themed Game that Alexa hosted and a few games around the time that game happened where I played really well Day 1 to a point where I wouldn’t be capable of emulating as a wolf and I’d be a flash wagon at EOD1 every time.
   Plus Marl and I have had numerous games before and him returning my townread on him with him scumreading me annoyed the ever living shit out of me and I just went off.
3. I probably actually push Illwei into a certain direction rather than saying just “You know what? You try to solve this, I’m behind you all the way in support”
4. I doubt I’d be that arrogant currently about me talking about my solve just now. I’d rather get on someone’s good side as mafia rather than just annoy the shit out of them.

[Vulgard]

May on Molly

May manages not to talk about Molly for the first third of the game, this is the first post that mentions her

@May

If Marl’s wolf, I think Zorvo’s almost certainly town, KT and Molly are probably town, andddd now I have to go oops bye everyon

All reads here are made based on Marl being a wolf which is kinda yikes

@May

Going off of what I remember, yeah, Molly/Marl seems super plausible. I’ll have to read back with it in mind to verify, of course, but

This is the literal next post about Molly
The complete lack of progression and randomly acknowledging a Molly/Marl team is not viable makes me think these two are unaligned just from that but I don’t want to jump the gun
It feels incredibly opportunistic and I don’t think this opportunism would be present if these two were W/W, May has no reason to acknowledge Molly/Marl as plausible here when they repped a townread on May literally 50 posts beforehand

@May

Molly and Marl as a scumteam have been extensively explained by Lemon, a read that I may or may not have undue trust in because it parallels the way I typically find and present reads. Lemon’s towny anyway so it can’t be that harmful to be biased, right? I see the potential connection on my own anyway.

In a town Marl world, I’d look at Molly and Brad

Would look at Molly regardless of Marl’s alignment
Definitely an interesting pivot from the previous read which was “probably town if Marl’s wolf,” they cite sheeping Lemon’s case as their reasoning here but it still feels opportunistic because they randomly shove Molly into two PoEs (“Marl is town” and “Marl is wolf”), again after giving her a conditional townread before
May could be town doing this maybe but I find the progression suspiciously quick
Also think it unaligns these two harder

@May

Just want to note that yeah, Molly sus, I want to look into Zorvo, and that I do apologize a little to Marl about all that.

Continual suspicion on Molly
Though come to think of it I don’t think May has ever… pushed for Molly? Just continued to insist that Molly should be looked at
Maybe they aren’t unaligned

@May

I’ll also avoid keeping my vote idle - going to toss in a VOTE: Molly, because her reads have been pinging TMI for me. High honor if she’s town, of course, but I’m not sure in the slightest that that’s true.

This is the first time May even brings up the TMI argument and I’m once again back to thinking this is an opportunistic push on a villager
That said Brad/May voting each other doesn’t make much sense right now if that’s the case unless they’re bussing each other I guess but I don’t think that actually helps them very much?

@May

Welcome to my Molly/KT wolf world I don’t know if I fully believe it but I sure have constructed it and once I’ve built a world I usually don’t let it go. I’ll have to re-evaluate if Eliza flips W, of course, but I suspect I’ll bemore focused on deflecting the various objects that will be thrown at me in that case.

Now it’s Molly with KT
Literally all the time May talks about Molly since day 1 they keep shoving Molly into PoEs with different people who later flip town and that honestly seems partnered

1. Never hardpushed on Molly, just voteparked sometimes
2. Keeps pairing Molly with townies and then pushes the townies (first Marl and then KT here)

@May

What about find the scumteam, who are KingTroll and Molly,

This is said when voting Molly

@May

I think KT’s most likely hypothetical partner is Molly, and that other people agree with me that Molly’s a bit scummy, etc etc et al, I’ll leave a VOTE: Molly

This is the first time they bring up this reasoning, and it makes perfect sense - should’ve been brought up earlier if anything, if you think someone is partnered with like 5 different people you push them instead of these different people
The problem is that May… hadn’t done that before then, for several days, and later…

@May

VOTE: KingTroll

I’m not paying attention but Brad told me not to vote molly and I’m too sleepy to protest

@May

That’s hilarious. Actually let’s all vote Molly VOTE: Molly

I don’t think May actually cares here but idk what it means for their alignment on its own, probably NAI

@May

Like, if Molly had only one or two potential partners in a game with more wolves, I’d be able to clear her, but nope! It’s a two of them scenario.

I still have an instinct on KingTroll, and I trust my gut more than anything else in mafia

Talks about them both here…

@May

My progression on Molly has been garbage

@May

I think I still scumread KingTroll.

Pivots to KingTroll because after reading my big post about them they conclude their progression on Molly has been garbage? I mean… sure, but I don’t know how that relates or why it would even matter unless May wants to push the player the pushing of whom looks better (push the player on whom they have the better progression). And if that’s true (and this post definitely implies it’s true) then it’s wolfy.

@May

Anyway everything Molly says is right and correct I’m just straight-up playing this game poorly. Still not doing it cause I’m a wolf though

Okay here’s the actual turnaround
I’m not sure if it happened before?

@May

I’d like to hear her thoughts (your thoughts, if you’re reading this, Molly, which I assume you are) on how a world where I’m wolf fits into the rest of the game - who my potential partners would be, that sort of thing, to sort of… make it less isolated of a read. If I’m wolf, I’ve certainly done stuff that indicates my partners, so iso me and figure out who they are. Of course, I know I’m town, so I don’t think it’s particularly productive on a base level, but I like seeing how people tie others together.

This is an extremely weird post to make toward a wolf partner and I’m back to feeling these two are unaligned though I think the proportion isn’t skewed toward “unaligned” anymore

@May

Hi I’m busy right now probably will be busy for a while I feel like a massive clown and also Molly is town

Okay I guess?

@May

I think others said Molly/Magnus might be possible? But I’m willing to let that one go until Magnus flips, which I am currently to do immediately, so.

Back to implying Molly could be paired with people and then names a villager as a partner and that villager proceeds to get MLed
I know that eventually May ends up defending Magnus but they literally paired Molly with three dead villagers and the only time they pushed Molly independently they ended up changing their mind because I pointed out the fact their read on Molly made no sense in terms of progression

@May

Molly’s almost certainly green to me at this point,

I genuinely have no idea where that came from

@May

Molly’s not scum.

And it’s insisted upon

@May

@Lemonfairy

what flipped your read on molly?

I’ve already explained to you what caused my read on Molly to reverse - her potential partners on my chart were Illwei and KingTroll, who are dead and flipped town. Would you like a picture of my actual physical notebook from like D3 where I have this written down as proof? Too bad, I’m fuckin lazy you’re not getting it

Lemon also doesn’t understand the read switch and May explains it was because Molly’s potential partners have flipped town
Now this might just be the biggest partnered thing in this entire ISO because it confirms my earlier theory about May distancing and just pushing Molly’s “partners” the entire time, now they’re trying to get Molly with them through the finish line
I can see this coming from town because their given mode of operation is to make pairings out of the gamestate but it’s really suspicious how they consistently treat Molly the same way

Drop a “probably town but conditional” at first, then push on her and pair her with multiple villagers, kill those villagers, then once enough villagers have been killed turn this into a townread because “all of her viable partners have flipped town” or something

This just doesn’t feel like a real read to me even for someone who works off aligning but I should probably stop harping on this

@May

That was supposed to be a quick TLDR for you two but I got lost in the weeds again. SHOULD WE KILL MAGNUS OR LEMON TODAY ← thing to pay attention to

Fwiw May evidently has no idea Lemon is the JOAT and is actively trying to ML her
I brought this up earlier as a theory but I don’t think anyone responded, that May being wolf explains why wolves haven’t killed the JOAT for this long

@May

So… before they come into thread, any bets as to whether it’s Molly or Brad that’s the JOAT?

May still has no idea

@May

Didn’t Molly mention not being “allowed” to push Zorvo after he claimed, or was that someone else? I remember seeing that and squinting.

@May

But I’m incredibly impatient. Alright gang time to pointlessly speculate on who Molly would’ve protected. I doubt it was me, given she said she independently wolfread Magnus and I, so someone else is probably getting that funny clear… can JOATs self-doctor? I thought that was the play Zorvo was going for when he revealed.

May implying they had a JOAT read on Molly is interesting but I don’t think it actually means anything because I couldn’t pick that up from May’s earliest posting about Molly so it’s probably a conclusion that May reached literally today (before the actual claim)

Conclusion: there’s some stuff that looks unaligned at first but the more I read the more I see the possibility of this being aligned
This looks like they distanced and then townread each other when they were ready to take each other to f5, May’s ISO definitely feels that way and so does Molly’s side of things
May conveniently spends a lot of time pushing Molly alongside villagers whenever they express suspicion about Molly, then flips those villagers and once enough villagers have flipped they write Molly off as town and don’t really reconsider after that
I feel like a villager would be reconsidering everyone here and even for someone who works primarily off unaligns I find this treatment difficult to believe (and also very aligned as a whole)
The early posting looks far less aligned on both their ends but that’s because they both don’t talk about each other almost at all at first (Molly gives an early townread and that’s it), after that they push on each other for some time and then May calls Molly town
Molly seems to be pushing May now though which is interesting because May isn’t reacting to the push at all and trying to placate Molly instead and that’s… weird if they’re w/w because based on their posting their modus operandi would be to keep each other alive
Unless they’re trying to distance again I guess

Arrrrggghhh I hate being in final X situations and I know it’s always my fault that I’m here and it definitely is now, I don’t think I’ve ever voted correctly in fX other than that one time I voted a player I thought was town because I assumed I was wrong
Which in this case would be Brad

[Vulgard]

Now I think it’s Brad and May
I hate this
I feel like if I just voted entirely on gut I’d have a higher chance to hit a wolf

[Vulgard]

To be fair Molly isn’t even voting May huh

[Vulgard]

Fair enough I guess
Can you comment on my Maypost above

[Vulgard]

Thank god the votes aren’t locked at least

[Vulgard]

VOTE: May

Idk this for now
This can’t be hammered because there’s only one nonvoter that’s not a clear and May’s not going to selfvote

[Vulgard]

I’m starting to think Molly’s town because May’s treatment of her also fits just opportunistically trying to push her with other villagers and now May’s trying to placate her as she wolfreads her and the progression doesn’t make much sense

Brad and May are pushing each other though and both can also be seen as aligned with Molly

[Vulgard]

I think if I’m going to get snowed by anyone here it’s the least likely to be Brad out of these three and I had him as town for most of the game and the only reason he fell off was because… he fell off
But it was way less drastic than in the wolfgame I just played with him

[Vulgard]

I’m at May > Brad=Molly
I feel like I have an equal number of reasons to think Brad/Molly are maybe mafia and more reasons for May

[Vulgard]

I don’t understand May’s impassioned Magnus defense yesterday if May is mafia though but I guess it could be performative TMI
Then again if it was meant to make May look good then it didn’t even work because nobody thinks they’re town for this I think

[Vulgard]

Wait why did I think molly pushed on May today
She’s literally pushing Brad right now