GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[BradLand]

Just the individual I actually wanted to see.

@Magnus

Can you provide me who you have as town and possibly why for each?

[BradLand]

Maybe you’re catching up but…would be nice to see what I want to see.

[Magnus]

BTW I’m almost glad Min died; not because a JOAT died, but because I was thinking Min could be evil after the O.Kazo flip.

@BradLand

Can you provide me who you have as town and possibly why for each?

Townread:

• Zorvo
• Marluxion
• May

Townlean:

• KingTroll (Kinda).
• Lemonfairy.

Nulltown:

• Vulgard (I can see a world where Vul flips evil, but I’m not interested in pursuing this right now.)
• Eliza (unlikely pair with O.Kazo, imo.)

Nullread:

• Illwei
• Lol

Nullscum:

• BradLand (Although that’s mainly from a lack of interaction.)

Scumlean:

• Molly
• YBW

Scumread:

[BradLand]

What is the YBW and Molly scumreads based on? I saw you were scumreading them both in your iso, but gave slight mentions to YBW only.

[mollylikesorigami]

ayyyyyyyy

[mollylikesorigami]

i would caution against the “weird eod votes” pushes for now

it’s a really obviously bad-looking thing, but not so long ago i watched a villager snipe vote another villager at eod to save a wolf, and they were poe’d for it forever even though i thought they were obvious town

people start acting irrationally under time pressure as either alignment, and it generally looks more wolfy than not

granted lemon’s posts today are pretty heavily uninspiring, and my gut townread for purity on her can only be stretched so far, just, be careful with condemning someone just for acting out

[BradLand]

Can agree with this sentiment.

[Magnus]

@Magnus

By the way, I dare to call YBW’s opening post NAI. Everyone knows she spent the last hour prior to daystart typing it up on a whim to look towny, and going to that extra effort legitimately has a bad look. Nullscum, for sure. I dare to disagree.

An opening wallpost for the sake of a wallpost is not a towny behaviour. Using it to make yourself look towny is a bad look, especially since they aren’t difficult to make. This left YBW at nullscum.

@YoubutWorse

So how do we get out of RVS bc i wanna like actually do stuff but at the same time no one has put out any readable content

States an intention to want to be helpful, which means we can raise the bar for YBW.

@YoubutWorse

My neighbors in number order are eliza and molly. Eliza I’m better than bc I found out I was trans before her AND I’m better than splatoon than her. (game-wise I remember getting a small meh feeling from her earlier but don’t remember my exact reasoning)

Molly posted once and also has a baller PFP but my opening post is way cooler and also my pfp could beat up her pfp (sorry amity)

@YoubutWorse

You say my pre-written post isn’t very townie yet then put be at null town. I know the read doesn’t have much value as its still very slight and vibey but I was wondering why you switched your perspective on me?

@YoubutWorse

Also hi I’m in thread now, I like May so far their posts kinda slapped imo

@YoubutWorse

How strong do you feel your read list is Brad? What caused you to include each person?

@YoubutWorse

I think this makes to townread people, like i get the reasoning, but I also think I would write a super long and memey opening post as either alignment just for fun.

There’s nothing really useful from the beginning, though. And I know nobody was being useful yet, but there isn’t really an effort to try and read anyone else.

@YoubutWorse

This doesnt ring true to me, or at least isnt the line of thinking that I go about. Wolfs cant only look town, they have to accomplish their goals as well. A wolf bussing a ton of people and looking as towny as possible may work, but its safer to just get a town execution rather than a wolf execution because even though a wolf execution makes the wolf look more towny. This seems like word jumble so lmk if this is incomprehensible lmao

Responding to my comment on the wallpost, YBW changes the message to “wolves need to win as well as look good” which is just self-explanatory? I wasn’t saying that wolves don’t need to get misexes, but they need to look good while doing it, like a villager just making reasonable mistakes. So this is more of a deflection post if anything.

@YoubutWorse

Eh I kinda disagree. Not that I have a strong read on troll, but Im kinda weary of people who post like “haha im town but Im so scummy and scum are gonna get me mis-exed”

No strong reads on anyone yet, really.

@YoubutWorse

Vulgard - Their posts feel towny to me, but only kinda like vaguely townie. I also know Vulgard is good at the game as I got hard pocketed by them by second game ever so I am scared of them. I have them more towards null however despite all this because of the vote/unvote on Magnus, where I think a town player would be more likely to keep the vote rather than unvoting as it seemed to be more of a pressure vote to me.

Zorvo - IDK how tf u read seth so Im gonna rely on other people for this one. Like he voted and scumread lol bc of the postcap thing which I dont think is AI in the slightest but I dont know if thats scummy or not for seth.

Magnus - I dont really understand a lot of his logic on things as they are based on very micro actions like a disagreement on a read turning into entire unaligns. I dont think thats the worst way of reading peoplex but usually you need to know who the wolves are before you can unalign, and it all seems kinda preflippy to me. Not that pre-flipping is like super duper scummy, town do it all the time. Its just overall for magnus, I cant really follow his line of thinking.

Eliza - As stated earlier, still think she was kinda awkward in the start of the game. I haven’t re-read it and that doesnt make her lockscum, but scum are less likely to easily sink into thread like town can, so Im leaning towards her being scum a teensy bit still. We still have a lot of time left in day though, so more content would obviously help in this read.

Vulgard: good but only kinda, ultimately null.
Zorvo: can’t read this guy.
Magnus: what a mess.
Eliza: kinda suspicious, but only from lack of content.

Nothing dynamic, nothing substantial. Appearing helpful. (Yes, I know I can be hypocritical in this manner.)

@YoubutWorse

@Lemonfairy

I think the joking doesn’t look as great when other people were starting to post more solvy posts

Feel like this may just be a personality thing, I like to joke around and keep the game more fun for myself and I do that by joking around constantly. I can link some past games for you to look through if you wanna see that

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@YoubutWorse

So you put eliza on there, seemingly on a weird whim. I question you about it and you provide reasoning for everyone but Eliza. Bradland, when you get the chance, could you explain your read on Eliza? I don’t really townread her at all and was wondering why you did esp since you never really explained it.

This is basically the first “good” post from what I’ve seen.

@YoubutWorse

Assuming you are a town, if you were a wolf right now, what would be the main noticeable differences between wolf you and town you?

I don’t like questions, because they put the pressure on other people to explain themselves while leaving yourself unscathed and looking good because, hey, you’re engaging in the thread.

@YoubutWorse

I townread May like a lot, would never want them dead today

I liked molly’s posts but I always have a subconcious bias towards her bc I love her pfp so while I townread her take that into account

Honestly been lowkey vibing with kingtroll rn so like nulltown for him
Marl is ok I guess, also probably nulltown or maybe a townlean. I’d have to read his posts again to get a better idea as my mind wasn’t completely focused reading them

That’s about everyone I’d say I at least am leaning towards town on rn

@YoubutWorse

honestly yeah and speaking of that
what is everybody’s scumreads?

Currently I have a small scumlean on Eliza for reasons I’ve stated before, (but can state again if you don’t wanna look). I also see lemon & lol as nullscum, both mainly bc of vibes

Seems to read from vibes, not from analysis. Which is valid.

@YoubutWorse

Based molly, i have not read silviu at all but I think this anlysis of those posts (which I kinda just wrote off as a lot of words) makes sense logically. I wouldn’t be against a silviu wagon now

“I haven’t read this person, but I’m okay to execute them.” Like a wolf not caring who dies, as long as it’s not their partner.

@YoubutWorse

lets go talk about owl house in scumchat

Joking about being evil, not alignment-indicative, but I’ve noticed wolves are more likely to joke around than villagers are. I explained this in Morbtainado iirc, but I can reiterate myself.

@YoubutWorse

Could people explain or make a case on bradland? Kinda null there personally but they seem to have a lot of votes

Another nullread. Wolves don’t need to analyse other players to discern their alignment, wolves only need to gather information to avoid incriminating themselves, so a lack of reads can be AI.

@YoubutWorse

Right now I like the silviu wagon more as it seems a bit more pure to me (I TR both molly and may, and disagree with vulgard on Marl)

The O.Kazo wagon I dont fully understand, whicj may just be because a lot of people are reading O kazo on meta while Ive never ayed witb them before (I think)

Vulgard voting marl is weird to me? Esp since they also scumread O kazo, who is an actual wagon. Marl seems to be someone who’d never really get voted today so I dont fully get the vote on hin besides showing “I scumread this player”, which couldve just been said.

This could be an attempt to shift attention away from O.Kazo by saying “I like the Silviu wagon, Vulgard’s being strange, but I don’t get why we’re voting O.Kazo”, without taking credit. Might be a stretch.

@YoubutWorse

Yeah, Im pocketing you.

Joking about being evil.

@YoubutWorse

Was catching up and literally had it in my mind “vulgard is being kinda wolfy I might vote them” and then i saw this. You are amazing and the best towns memeber kingtroll thank you for being what this town needs

Draws back to the idea of deflecting from the O.kazo wagon.

@YoubutWorse

kingtroll is the most obvious town this is awesome
My thoughts on the ISO of vulgard is that vulgard still rings as scum to me, their actions still don’t make a ton of sense to me and that ISO pointed out things I didn’t notice and also forgot. Also, again, kingtroll still super fucking town

@YoubutWorse

Actually I got a spicy take that I kinda had before but I’m coming around to again and I wanna hear thoughts

VOTE: ElizathePsycho

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@YoubutWorse

You haven’t provided a lot of substance or many unique reads with reasoning. Your thinking throughout the entire game has stayed kinda stagnant, which I see as scum indicative. Also, like NOBODY has talked about you, besdies like small mentions in readlists which is very weird to me. Not that you’re a super polarized or discussed slot normally, but I feel like nobody has mentioned a direct read that isn’t like ‘nulltown/null’ and I find that strange as there isn’t much reason to townread you in the first place. I don’t know if this is a better or worse kil than O.kazo, probably isn’t if okazo doesn’t show up again, but I think Eliza needs to be discussed at the very least (thanks for asking eliza glad you responded to the ping in scumchat that fast)

More joking about scumchat.
This is an actual analysis post, which is good. It also applies to O.kazo, yet YBW didn’t seem to feel comfortable voting them.

(In response to voting Marl.)

@YoubutWorse

im down honestly
Okazo as a slot isnt great but I don’t like the people on the wagon, silviu is meh as well, marl is someone I’d actually want dead that has more votes than 1

@YoubutWorse

@min

poe: eliza

@min

at least 1 in marl/magnus/vulgard using genuine poe

@min

never execute: king

based (actually kinda really like this readlist ngl)

If YBW is evil, I’d feel content branding both Vul and Marl as good, myself.

@YoubutWorse

VOTE: Marluxion

Honestly this is the person i think i most want dead rn, not that I’m too mad about okazo or silviu, I think this flip gives us the most info overall, no matter the alignment. Someone can easily convince me on okazo or silviu tho

@YoubutWorse

You’re right, I didn’t check the reply and didn’t realize that second post was related to the first. I’ll probably end up on Okazo later on but I’m gonna keep my vote on marl for now

Could be wanting to save O.kazo, while leaving a way out if that execution is undeniable.

@YoubutWorse

I think of kazo is scum silviu is prob town ngl, also that brad would be scum with kazo just bcof this post here

Votes at the time
O.kazo (5): Magnus, lol, Vulgard, ElizaThePsycho, mollylikesorigami
Marluxion (3): KingTroll, May, YoubutWorse
Silviu200530 (2): BradLand, Marluxion
Vulgard (2): Zorvo, O.kazo
BradLand (1): Lemonfairy
lol (1): Silviu200530
Magnus (1): min

An O.kazo execution might seem undeniable, so YBW is trying to recover by discussing the possibility of O.kazo flipping wolf and what that would mean, without voting them yet.

@YoubutWorse

aye ayea captain
I said bradland looked sus to me if okazo flipped wolf so maybe thats where u got if rom

@YoubutWorse

@BradLand

Do you read Silviu as town?

Not entirely, I kinda have him down as a null read. Same with okazo but hes more nullscum. Okazo’s apathy is what kinda got to me there. Silviu I haven’t seen in a while and really need to re-read tbh

@YoubutWorse

Probably at least two scum on the wagon

1. Most likely (imo) Brad, least likely probably molly (going off recent things here, would need to re-read n shit)

@YoubutWorse

thing is I’m not a super big fan of people on either wagon (wagon should be in quotes considering its 6 votes v 2)
ill prob stay on marl bc lol vanity but if I had to vote it wouldve been on okazo

Yeah… but it’s nothing definitive, hence the “scumlean” and not a “scumread”.

[mollylikesorigami]

i haven’t really been convinced by the marl pushes

i’ve still found him towny and my snap thought post-flip was that kazo’s marl read seemed like tmi

everyone and their mother finding a different reason to wolf read marl is a little trippy for me, and it would normally make me feel like i’m missing something obvious that everyone else is seeing, but like

just by scrolling to random sections of his iso i keep townreading him? like the way he goes hard at vul, then hard pivots to shielding him when vul’s still contentious, comes off as villagery lack of agenda, the way his initial wolf read on zorvo corroded felt natural and like he really wanted zorvo to still be a wolf but it just didn’t work out, and there’s just a general vibe that he’s looking under every rock to form and triple check all his reads at all times

[BradLand]

Okay…read through it all…it’s pretty convincing.

I actually noticed you also looked at the “I’m pocketing you” post as well from YBW and I was wondering what difference it made, but you add the context to it and how there’s a few posts really trying to appeal to KingTroll when talking about trying to scumread someone like Vulgard that you brought up and it’s lining up.

She does have her vote on Marl to end the day, and if Marl flips town that’s the first direction I’m looking at.

[BradLand]

The only thing I disagree with is the shading of the first post, but that’s mainly because I’m assuming that’s entirely a joke post?

[mollylikesorigami]

i haven’t looked into spew that much yet, but i think both eliza and kt are getting a lot townier today

i have definitely seen moments of towniness from brad today and would take him out of the immediate poe, but idg how he thinks he’s been obvious town since d1 lol

i was gonna say that silviu’s last words being “i’m gonna look at kazo” were them freezing the moment they had to talk about a partner lmao, but that read obviously doesn’t apply now

i haven’t read any long posts sorry magnus

[Magnus]

How dare you have better things to do.

[mollylikesorigami]

finally, a magnus post i can read

[BradLand]

@mollylikesorigami

but idg how he thinks he’s been obvious town since d1

Because I feel like I’ve been incredibly transparent when it comes to my reads, which is something I’m terrible at in terms of simulating as mafia.
Like throughout Day 1, yeah I have my shit posting, but when I had a serious read, I flat out explained it as thoroughly as I could get.

Maybe the best way I can explain it.

[Marluxion]

@Host_Account_1

Min has died they were…

what a fucking snipe

[Marluxion]

also thank god we won the coin flip

[Marluxion]

neither silv nor okazo self pressed onto the other

pretty sure killing silviu is always correct here

[Marluxion]

yup pretty much
molly is now also always town
the two people i want dead the most are still ybw and silviu

lemon and brad both should die if silviu is town

[mollylikesorigami]

okay

i don’t really put any stock in transparency, because like, wolves can be genuinely transparent. it depends whether the actual thought process is towny or not, not whether it’s clearly shown for everyone. i thought that for most of d1, most of your solving was pretty limp and trivial, and easy for a wolf to replicate.

by moments of towniness, i’m thinking of things like how you’re getting talked off of your magnus/silviu reads, and as you absorb what other people are saying about them, you change your mind, but there’s this, like, reluctance to do it that feels genuine, and makes it seem like you’re really evaluating them.