GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

And like two others threatening to vote me
Ignore that I only know of vul

[Zorvo]

Nah I can see it partnered.
I know how Eliza responds as alignments that is a NAI response but can be wolf in their head going “really? Damn this guy is a troll.” Then when O.Kazo was frozen it was like “Yeah I gotta call this guy frozen and buss him.”

@Lemonfairy

exactly
I think Marl needs to flip first

I will heavily re-eval if Marl is not scum

Again I don’t care which of Marl/Eliza dies I just don’t want Silviu Slot to be ML’ed cause wolves love that.

[Zorvo]

If I forget later my legacy is basically this:
Make sure both Marl and Eliza flip.
If Marl is wolf, vote Lol next.
If Eliza is wolf and Vulgard voted, vote King next.
If Eliza is wolf and Vulgard didn’t vote, vote Vulgard next.
If both flip town, vote Vulgard.

[Lemonfairy]

@Zorvo

Again I don’t care which of Marl/Eliza dies I just don’t want Silviu Slot to be ML’ed cause wolves love that.

I’d much rather Marl over Eliza
Ilwei, I saw a post that I thought was unpartnered with O.kazo (it’s already been brought up by others so I won’t go into detail) so I think the slot has decent chance of being just town

[KingTroll]

catchup wall

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: Lemonfairy

as much as i don’t think lemon is today’s lynch material this vote+reasoning practically locktowns molly in my eyes.

@Zorvo

(Marluxion/Vulgard/Eliza) at least 1 is a wolf cause of how O.Kazo is.

do you like. have a plan if all those people flip green or if we respect any of their legacies

@May

I’m in a state where I just… need another flip to properly orient myself in this game, I think, and that’s why I’m having so much trouble reading.

hope you survive to do that because ehhh don’t like this

@Lemonfairy

Vulgard/Zorvo/Troll
YBW/May
Eliza/Brad

lol/Ilwei/Magnus

Molly
Marl

hmmm. i mean i know you liked my post about molly/marl being teamed

@Lemonfairy

Troll
I see you too

sorry man i was asleep ;)

@YoubutWorse

@Magnus

Alright, here’s a test: why do you townread Kingtroll? This is a serious question intended to gauge your critical thinking.

Have you read their posts. LIke actually. I have mindmelded and agreed with them on like 80 million different points and they feel the same about me, if kingtroll isnt town I will retire from mafia permanently

magnus is trying to drive a wedge between us we must stay strong

@YoubutWorse

@Magnus

I’m weird for disliking questions, sure. Whatever.

mfer he ASKED PEOPLE TO ASK QUESITONS

this is still a really weird point

@BradLand

@Illwei Where are you? How much of the game have you read?

why are we letting the silv/illwei slot skim by with minimal content. like this is absolute lurker material town or wolf

@Marluxion

Kill YBW lemon may in any order and we win I’m pretty sure

okay. at least lemon may

@Marluxion

Kill all three, no exceptions regardless of how highly you townread them

no one is going to sheep you

@Zorvo

If Marluxion flips Town I’d personally take a look into Lol/Vulgard/King/Eliza

why is lol someone you’re looking at to be wolf whether or not marl flips scum. at that point just vote lol instead

@BradLand

The thing that was also struck me off reading his iso was that his post voting Kazo is like… the jarring sentence that comes in after voting Kazo, talking about something completely different.

so true and smart

@Marluxion

Pretty sure this slot should never live after flaking both days, especially considering neither okazo nor silviu self pressed

ughhhh hate agreeing with this. scum can you be a doll and nightkill illwei i heard they’re the second joat

@Vulgard

i think kingtroll has been excessively towny the entire game and if he’s a wolf then i’m not going to find him

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i love being townread whether or not i am town. it makes me feel so cool and epic

@Marluxion

lol i have no clue what he’s doing
his reads are not what i would expect, him still not having a read on me is a fucking joke
he can go in poe

mmm

@Lemonfairy

Troll, you’re here too
come talk or something

okay

@Vulgard

this wagon composition is legitimately awful

yeah

vulgard’s wall posts are cool though. town

@Magnus

I should head to sleep. Is it alright if I vote Ilwei? Even if they flip Town I understand and agree with the general reasoning about executing players you can’t ever trust to be Town.

no i’m thinking you’re not allowed to sleep

lol and eliza are the remaining wolfteam 100%

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

[KingTroll]

like i am 99% sure that if we lynch within illewei/lol/eliza within the next three days we will get at least one if not both maf out

[Host_Account_1]

Marluxion (4): ElizaThePsycho, Lemonfairy, lol, May
illwei (3): Marluxion, Vulgard, Magnus
ElizaThePsycho (3): YoubutWorse, Zorvo, KingTroll
Lemonfairy (1): mollylikesorigami

Not Voting (2): illwei, BradLand

[KingTroll]

goat alt slip???

[KingTroll]

vulgard i know you isoed lol and think they’re town but i think you’re wrong. i am willing to vote one of illwei/eliza first to boost your confidence though if we’re going to do compromises because i’m also good on them

[Lemonfairy]

@KingTroll

sorry man i was asleep ;)

it’s ok, no need to apologize
but also
how were you liking my posts while asleep?

@KingTroll

lol and eliza are the remaining wolfteam 100%

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

noooo
whyyyyyyyy?

@KingTroll

like i am 99% sure that if we lynch within illewei/lol/eliza within the next three days we will get at least one if not both maf out

I can’t see this
why do you think so?

[Vulgard]

magnus

posts i found towny

@Magnus

Can I please be townclear if Vulgard flips wolf?

this is unfortunately kinda villagery

@Magnus

@YoubutWorse

Vulgard - Their posts feel towny to me, but only kinda like vaguely townie. I also know Vulgard is good at the game as I got hard pocketed by them by second game ever so I am scared of them. I have them more towards null however despite all this because of the vote/unvote on Magnus, where I think a town player would be more likely to keep the vote rather than unvoting as it seemed to be more of a pressure vote to me.

Zorvo - IDK how tf u read seth so Im gonna rely on other people for this one. Like he voted and scumread lol bc of the postcap thing which I dont think is AI in the slightest but I dont know if thats scummy or not for seth.

Magnus - I dont really understand a lot of his logic on things as they are based on very micro actions like a disagreement on a read turning into entire unaligns. I dont think thats the worst way of reading peoplex but usually you need to know who the wolves are before you can unalign, and it all seems kinda preflippy to me. Not that pre-flipping is like super duper scummy, town do it all the time. Its just overall for magnus, I cant really follow his line of thinking.

Eliza - As stated earlier, still think she was kinda awkward in the start of the game. I haven’t re-read it and that doesnt make her lockscum, but scum are less likely to easily sink into thread like town can, so Im leaning towards her being scum a teensy bit still. We still have a lot of time left in day though, so more content would obviously help in this read.

Vulgard: good but only kinda, ultimately null.
Zorvo: can’t read this guy.
Magnus: what a mess.
Eliza: kinda suspicious, but only from lack of content.

Nothing dynamic, nothing substantial. Appearing helpful. (Yes, I know I can be hypocritical in this manner.)

i actually more or less agree with this

@Magnus

An O.kazo execution might seem undeniable, so YBW is trying to recover by discussing the possibility of O.kazo flipping wolf and what that would mean, without voting them yet.

i also see what he’s saying here

@Magnus

VOTE: YoubutWorse for now. Stand down from voting Marl unless you have a valid wolfread and interpretation of his actions.

i agree with this

@Magnus

@KingTroll

if you flipped town and i reread your arguments overnight and got convinced on it then yeah i’m not completely blinded. do want to be friends with them out of game after this though they’re my rl town mason buddy

This post bothers me on so many levels. It’s like you’ve viberead YBW as town and you’re not even concerned about the possibility of being pocketed, to the point where you’ve already verbally accepted losing to said pocket. On D2, because you want to be friends with her. Are you sure you’re being objective?
I’m starting to think you’re mainly disagreeing with the YBW case because of who brought it up.

i think this is easily the towniest part of magnus’s iso

@Magnus

Since we’re comparing hypotheticals to the observable past, we can make fairly bold assumptions about why something must have happened, since if it’s true it must have.
Here’s what we can observe: Magnus voted O.kazo at a time when Vulgard seemed unlikely to flip, and having backed off on a Vulgard read earlier, Magnus cannot vote Vulgard without looking tricky. w!Magnus clearly backed off from voting Vulgard in an attempt to look good, since an evil has no reason to run tests or anything.

Since w!Magnus is partnered with O.kazo, you would expect valid reasoning for said vote; whether through TMI or just saying “meh, vibe reads”. Instead, Magnus chose to explain nothing, choose to keep alive two people they claim a wolf could reasonably be found in, and vote their partner inexplicably. This is a case of pointless bussing, through and through, for the sake of trying to look good. O.kazo only flipped Mafia Goon; in which case, w!Magnus or someone else plausibly in danger is the Roleblocker.

Considering Magnus’s supposed lack of interest in sharing fake reasoning on why they voted O.kazo, it would seem safe to imagine Magnus isn’t the Roleblocker themselves, or else they wouldn’t have drawn such attention to themselves so quickly. Goon—RBer odds are probably 3:1 at the very least.

i don’t know what to make of this post

@Magnus

@O.kazo

I thought Silviu claimed JOAT. Did I misread that?

Silviu never claimed JOAT.
However , Silviu did make mention of the JOAT role during the first day, which O.kazo may have gotten confused with. O.kazo hadn’t yet received any votes (according to the counter), so this is not anti-spew. If they were partnered, O.kazo wouldn’t have made this mistake. Thinking.

yeah i made this point before

@Magnus

(I know Vulgard already talked about this. I’m not taking credit.)

oh he acknowledges this
huh
gut pings me that this is villagery

posts i found scummy

@Magnus

@Vulgard

This is probably town because it seems to have been handwritten unless I’m stupid and the copypasta actually just exists with a typo

If it doesn’t then I maintain the read

Unpaired with YBW, as wolf trying to microread something as Town because… it’s handwritten? No, this reasoning doesn’t hold. I disagreed with Vulgard’s interpretation earlier (saying it’s nullscum more than anything), and Zorvo disagreed as well, saying it’s NAI. There may or may not have been others, this is a speed ISO.

i’m not going to quote his scumcase on me again because i went off on him for it day 1 and my opinion hasn’t changed, i still think it’s legitimately awful but i want to focus on the other stuff he’s written

@Magnus

@May

I’m completely terrified of what happens when I finally rand wolf. I’ve been playing the same alignment in the same communities for game after game, building up this corpus of town meta, and now I’m going to have to replicate all that eventually. Every game I just cross my fingers that I can kick it down the road a little farther, and every game it works out. When I rand wolf, can everyone promise to like, keep me alive for maybe two day phases despite the fact that I’ll be extremely obvious about it?

I don’t have much commentary on what happened during the night, except that everyone providing content is townie and everyone trying to hinder that process is wolfy. I should place a real, non-RVS vote, but honestly, I’m sleepy and don’t want to make real reads. I’ll come back when I don’t have to leave for my torment agony hell on earth Thirty Whole Minutes commute shortly.

On the one hand, an evil has no reason to draw attention to the possibility of them being evil unless it fulfils a purpose, a way to make them look good. On the other hand, if you rand evil it’s always on your mind, and sometimes you feel the need to post your thoughts about it. I can’t remember May mentioning future wolf games in Morbtainado or Flicker, but maybe I’m misremembering. Maybe I’ll check in the future.

this post manages to say nothing about may

@Magnus

There’s possible a wolf between Silviu/Brad, but my personal agenda wants to play with them both alive for at least another day, so…
VOTE: O.kazo. Surprised I haven’t been wagoned yet. It’s almost a tradition for me at this point.

i talked about this vote earlier and still think it’s pretty bad

@Magnus

I accused Vulgard because he was in a favourable position if he was evil, receiving townreads for sounding reasonable and being present without doing anything, so I pushed him, and the case was carried by other people after that.
There’s possibly a wolf between Silviu and Brad, but I’m not voting either because I like Silviu and know Brad has a reputation for being a town mastermind or something. I’ll give them both another day.
I’m voting O.kazo because yes.

just like the explanation

@Magnus

Anyway, I’m unhappy with the current state of affairs. Marl hasn’t posted yet, so I’m not opposed to that wagon existing, but I’d love to set up a train on… someone else, because the Lemon wagon isn’t working for me either. I was thinking Molly, but I haven’t actually looked at their ISO yet.

word salad, also unexplained sudden wolfread on molly

@Magnus

@Magnus

By the way, I dare to call YBW’s opening post NAI. Everyone knows she spent the last hour prior to daystart typing it up on a whim to look towny, and going to that extra effort legitimately has a bad look. Nullscum, for sure. I dare to disagree.

An opening wallpost for the sake of a wallpost is not a towny behaviour. Using it to make yourself look towny is a bad look, especially since they aren’t difficult to make.

ybw went on record saying that she didn’t write it to look towny and actively protested against being read on the basis of that post so magnus ignoring that and throwing her into nullscum regardless feels actively ignorant

@Magnus

@YoubutWorse

Based molly, i have not read silviu at all but I think this anlysis of those posts (which I kinda just wrote off as a lot of words) makes sense logically. I wouldn’t be against a silviu wagon now

“I haven’t read this person, but I’m okay to execute them.” Like a wolf not caring who dies, as long as it’s not their partner.

this is ~okay but also seems shifty
i’m starting to think magnus/ybw contains one wolf and they aren’t w/w

@Magnus

VOTE: Ilwei
If you all decide to execute someone else, go nuts. I’d just figure I’d try to help save Marl with this.

not really sure why he’s voting illwei or saving marl from his iso which is a concern

@Magnus

I don’t like questions, because they put the pressure on other people to explain themselves while leaving yourself unscathed and looking good because, hey, you’re engaging in the thread.

questions help catch wolves and find villagers though
do you believe they don’t?

in the end i’m kind of undecided but his case on ybw has more merit than his case on me
i feel like there being 1 wolf between ybw/magnus is a decently likely possibility
other than that i don’t really know what to think, i’m getting a lot of pings both ways
his day 2 is notably townier than his day 1 but his day 1 largely surrounded his case on me which i think was bad and the parts that weren’t about his case on me i didn’t like very much so ehhhh

[Vulgard]

ybw/magnus could also be v/v honestly i’m just biased

[Zorvo]

One.

[KingTroll]

@Lemonfairy

it’s ok, no need to apologize
but also
how were you liking my posts while asleep?

it’s in my blood

@Lemonfairy

noooo
whyyyyyyyy?

good question however other than your one mindmeld moment why are you so confident they’re town

[Vulgard]

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

[Zorvo]

@Vulgard

ybw/magnus could also be v/v honestly i’m just biased

Yeah and you can be wolf that is TMIing them.

“Could”

[Vulgard]

@Zorvo

If I forget later my legacy is basically this:
Make sure both Marl and Eliza flip.
If Marl is wolf, vote Lol next.
If Eliza is wolf and Vulgard voted, vote King next.
If Eliza is wolf and Vulgard didn’t vote, vote Vulgard next.
If both flip town, vote Vulgard.

absolutely do not do preflips you tried that in the last game and i shut you down we’re not doing this here either

[Vulgard]

@Zorvo

@Vulgard

ybw/magnus could also be v/v honestly i’m just biased

Yeah and you can be wolf that is TMIing them.

what even is your read on me

[Zorvo]

PoE.

Not PoE: Silviu Slot, Brad, Magnus, Lemon, Molly and probably YBW.

[Lemonfairy]

@KingTroll

good question however other than your one mindmeld moment why are you so confident they’re town

it was actually multiple mindmeld moments
and I think those moments are strong indicators of town

@Vulgard

VOTE: ElizaThePsycho

no Vul
whyyy
can we pls not vote Eliza?