is day four like casual friday or something
bring you leafeon to lynch day
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My read on it, and yeah knowing 0 meta, is wind responding to a post of mine before with âperfect timingâ felt like a wolf who saw me say something and go âoh shit I want to comment on thisâ before anyone else really could. You can iso wind to find it.
I think it is harmless right now for me to view leafia as v just to avoid lynching someone for being bad, like I said it seems like a good person to check during the night in some form.
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It would just be MondayâŚ
How was your work day�
It suckedâŚ
Achro if you are telling people you read people on how they approach you and therefore encourange votes on you to try and read people
how come you ignored my vote on you and then was like âwhy donât you voting me just vote wazzaâ
Yeah maybe
The big downside of this is if leafia is w theyâll probably just be trying to antispew from now on, but if she seems off we can just yeet her
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I was thinking over Vul things and by the time I was done with that I noticed both of you had shaded wazza so I decided to just go âhey so wazzaâ
if you want to talk about it you can, but you moved onto a vote I like pretty easily so!
Oh yeah, might as well say this.
Kiiruma, Illwei V. Eliza and Achro leaning V, not putting them fully into the V slot to account for personal bias.
I think Kiiruma has been generally villagery, mostly because heâs been doing his own thing the entire time and I never got the impression his posting had an agenda. Illwei, on the other hand, has been a pretty dominant pushing force, but I can see that sheâs scumhunting and not just pushing for the sake of pushing. The first vote she placed on Beancat felt like something I could get behind - I could tell why she placed it - and I can follow most of her thought processes on people pretty well, even though she doesnât explain them very extensively.
I liked min and Illweiâs interaction in the shitpost stage. It might seem like nothing, but it felt like two villagersâ banter rather than one being a wolf attempting to socialize. Leaning V on min for that one.
I frankly donât townread Brad, but Iâm willing to sheep Illwei on him for the time being.
I think the way Achromatic responded to my vote on him was rather villagery of him, particularly the part that I responded to with a joycat. I also think the seeming awkwardness I mentioned can be explained by some recent events, and largely by this being FoL where we donât have pages and he knows next to no one. When I look at him with that aspect of his posting removed, I donât think heâs been wolfy.
I think Eliza opening the game the way she did, by joking about a massclaim, and then moving on to discussing it seriously was fairly villagery for her specifically. Iâve already explained why I townread her talking about a masscalim, and while she did claim it was partly a joke, I think that her talking about it a little more and then abandoning the subject when nobody engaged with her on it felt genuine.
I have two somewhat independent wolfreads on Wazza/Leafia and Iâm currently trying to reconcile them.
Musings about Wazza/Leafia
The main thing tripping me up is that Wazza voted Leafia without really explaining it here:
And then, when we interacted, she had this to say:
I feel like this is unnatural. First off, Illwei was the first player to point out that Leafia was making reads on posts that should not be taken as alignment indicative, here:
Wazza initially didnât react to this. She only voted Leafia later, after Leafia said she was suspicious of me and voted me. Her reasoning for the vote is essentially doubling down on the read Illwei gave first, plus the meta-related add-on of Leafia being more focused on her slot as a wolf.
My problem with this is that I feel like Wazza has unfounded confidence in this read, to the point that Iâm suspecting TMI. I liked the way she answered me at the time, but going back to it, Iâm not sure why she has so much confidence. Sheâs essentially implying that Leafia is obvious mafia, but I donât see what got her there. It seems more like she saw Illweiâs read and decided to piggyback on it because wolf!Leafia probably always dies this game and itâs good to be on the 
. Or Leafia is a villager and Wazza can always somehow blame Illwei in the future.
The thing thatâs tripping me up is that I do think Leafia is independently wolfy. Suspecting Wazza for her Leafia push doesnât feel entirely right, because I donât even disagree with the reasoning - but itâs more about how Wazzaâs treatment of Leafia looks to me holistically, and how the jump to implying that Leafia is obvious mafia feels unnatural. Yes, I do think Leafiaâs posts are wolfy; no, I donât think itâs natural for a villager to reach that conclusion so quickly, and the timing of it being so soon after Illweiâs initial wolfread on Leafia felt opportunistic to me.
Where does this leave me? I think thereâs at least one wolf between Wazza/Leafia, and that they can be W/W, but I also dislike the fact I canât prevent myself from reading these two associatively and itâs obviously really bad for me to do that if theyâre V/V. Still, Iâll probably explore this for a bit more.
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I think this is potentially the most biased read on the list and if you ever consider this worth looking at in the future I want this to be known.
Me being on the same page as Marl probably makes Marl town, but reconsider this if weâre wrong.
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the thing that makes me think not w/w for leafia and wind is wind getting out in front of the question I asked to leafia about people defending her. But to be fair several people have pointed out leafia is an odd wolf case with how bad she apparently is so this might just be wrong.
I also, in a post you quoted, added onto this:
that Leafia was making reads from posts that werenât relevant enough to do so from.
I liked the post in response because I liked the read lmfao so itâs not that I didnât react to it, itâs just that I didnât type out a message in response
My main problem with you saying this is that my vote on Leafia is quite literally the only one you jumped on, there were so many other people making votes and posts without explaining their votes and yet my vote on Leafia is quite literally the only one you decided to point out in a situation where RVS would still be considered a thing, while my vote wasnât RVS, itâs weird how you specifically chose to pounce on my vote towards Leafia than any other vote around.
What about anything of what I said sounds like unfounded confidence considering I literally said I can explain all my reads with no hesitation and I literally explained the Leafia read.
You didnât have a problem with my Leafia read at the time but the moment people decide âwe should vote Wazzaâ you hop on me, so if you wanna talk about random, bullshit votes, youâre in that category.
Because I feel like Iâve caught Leafia in the same way I did back in Last Stand of Virtuous with the exact same meta coming into play here. I was insanely correct in that game and I donât think Iâll stand corrected here either, especially considering Leafiaâs responses to my push seemed lackluster and unlike how Leafia would usually respond to a push (Town!Leafia is more out there with her responses, Wolf!Leafia keeps them reserved and pushes on the other person, the game I quoted is an excellent example of the wolf one)
Which is why I explained it 
you know
the thing you read
I credited Illwei myself for giving me the first part of the read that made her on my radar, then I further had it there to push my own read that I believed was correct on Leafia, and, using self-meta here (ironically enough based on what I said earlier) you should know I never push the blame onto someone else for my own pushes no matter my alignment, considering that just isnât something I will ever do, if I mis-execute, Iâm not going to say âoh hey itâs [XXX]'s faultâ as either alignment because as Mafia, itâs obvious a Mafia would do that to begin with so Iâm not that stupid and as Town, itâs my fault anyway so Iâd accept it. When was the last time you genuinely saw a mafia push on a player and then blame-shift.
Literally none of what you just said makes sense, Iâm treating Leafia by my read of believing sheâs wolf, although you should note that earlier I said this:
and while this isnât completely serious, Iâm not fully cementing myself down on âLeafia is wolfâ nor am I treating her as an obvious wolf, to me, sheâs wolf and I can say with confidence I can easily see her flipping wolf, as can you based on your posting and your confidence that Leafia may be wolf is based on my read as you stated earlier, so treat it as unfound confidence, but that would mean yours is unnatural as well since you somehow got it from the same thing I got it from.
As I stated, I literally liked Illweiâs post because it was Illweiâs read that got me to look at Leafia and focus on her, when she voted you, I felt like that was a little iffy so I placed my vote to join in with pressure on her slot and because I felt like what she was doing was wolfy, the vote on you doesnât matter too much but it triggered me to decide âYeah, my vote goes here.â
both of these points feel like word sponge
or whatever the dumb phrase is
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there was no way you read our posts and then only got this out of it
cool
thats all i got out of it
like it or not
useless
not surprised
how kind of you
you gonna scumread it or what