They don’t need to CC they need to kill the active threat. They can kill Lissi any other night.
But anyways who cares I said it’s a thought on the back of my mind not a thought in the present so let’s solve the game now.
They don’t need to CC they need to kill the active threat. They can kill Lissi any other night.
But anyways who cares I said it’s a thought on the back of my mind not a thought in the present so let’s solve the game now.
I’m a smart one
hey, I stayed up till 3 AM for someones birthday, so I understand
right, but one of them wasn’t known to be true at the time
Alright, cool.
This is just a matter of playstyle. There are obvious advantages to killing confirmed players over killing greater threats, and vice versa. If nothing else, Lissi as a kill is very easy to explain away.
(I was going to point out how you didn’t make a fuss with Chihiro being killed, but there’s an inherent difference between leaving a jailkeeper and a voyeur alive, so…)
What do I mean to say? I think Lissi’s a better player than you’re giving credit for, and in conjunction with the PR claim I’d be surprised if anyone else died. There are worlds where one of us three are Mafia, so Lissi is very much the safe kill to make.
@Lemonfairy it’s very important for you to join us.
I think Zorvo and Eliza are Town. I need Lemon back here. Gorta feels much worse than they once did. I’m suspicious of Neon.
how is Zorvo town?
it does very much look like Zorvo trusted the second PR claim and guessed that there was a single mafia PR and in this Zone PR world it very much makes Frost’s play with Zorvo seem like theater
Here’s every mention Zone makes of Neon this game:
Here’s Zone’s first mention of Neon all game.
This entire post is properly worth analysing, but I want to draw your attention to this:
Frost wanted to check up on Neon if he had lived past D2, so she’s probably spewed town.
I mentioned the rest of my townreads before already, and here I added Zorvo because I just realized that Zorvo was Frost’s counterwagon. He had been pushed a lot by Frost at D2, going as far as to make a list of who Zorvo could’ve been partnered with. That doesn’t seem W/W.
With that in mind, all I have left is a POE of [Neon, Wazza, Lemlem].
Probably Lemonfairy or Wazza.
I can recall four people who are fine with voting Wazza, one of which includes Neon, so it’s probably just Lemlem.
@Neon, look: If you want to scumread me because you can’t or don’t want to solve me, then that’s fine. However, that does not mean that you can force your ideology to ME.
Zorvo:Neon, who’s your partner?
Zone_Q11:Probably Lemonfairy or Wazza.
I can recall four people who are fine with voting Wazza, one of which includes Neon, so it’s probably just Lemlem.
Yeah, I think I’m ready to vote now.
VOTE: Neon
What, do you think that w!Neon hopped on w!Wazza’s wagon to save herself, saw an opportunity to switch to my wagon, and then switched over while leading v!Zorvo to follow her?
–because if so, then that would be a genius play!
@Lissi, the lack of Neon wanting to defend Wazza (and the fact that she instead wants Wazza dead) is the reason why I don’t think it’s Wazza. (Or at the very least not Neon/Wazza.)
…huh, for some reason it never occurred to me why it couldn’t have been Lemlem/Wazza. I think it’s because Neon’s additional reasoning was so bad that I never thought of a world where she isn’t scum.
Lissi:I think Neon’s town, but even if she was wolf, Wazza was consensus POE starting yesterday
Eh… I guess I can move over to Wazza, but when will we solve Neon?
Lemonfairy:and you tried to take out Wazza and just leave it at me/Neon
I don’t got any other POE and if it is Neon/Wazza, then Neon’s behavior towards Wazza does not make sense.
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Zone_Q11:No. My scumteam is mine. If you don’t like it, then leech off someone else’s reads.
[/quote]You still think it’s Neon/Lemon?
I could be convinced of Wazza/Lemon, but at the moment I am struggling to see a world where Neon is town.
…okay, I might reconsider my read on Lemlem, but that would drop my POE to Neon/Wazza.
[quote=“Zone_Q11, post:2877, topic:3873”]
Zone_Q11:what’s your EOD3 read on Wazza and why?
[/quote]There was a reason I never voted Wazza.
What would that reason be? You clearly had her in your POE at SOD3 along with Neon and Chihiro before the Jailkeeper had claimed. Yet from what I see, you have been focusing D3 on Neon, Lissi, Lemlem, and… Gorta?
You know what? Fair enough.
I think it’s time to show my updated readslist.Gorta, Lissi, Neon
Lemlem
Eliza, Magnus, ZorvoLissi mentioned how I might have miscleared someone within my townreads. I couldn’t tell which one within [Eliza, Magnus, Zorvo] I was misclearing, so I just threw them all into the new POE. I had initially put [Neon, Lemlem] at the same rank as [Gorta, Lissi], but I need to give time to Lemlem because she claims to be burnt out, which… is not something I can verify.
Lissi, you probably need to re-eval (as you have mentioned before), because you have 1 scumread, 5 townreads, and an unevaluated Neon. In particular, I want you to re-eval Eliza and Zorvo.
Well then. My POE still consists of Magnus/Zorvo/Eliza. Lemlem has not been talking for over 24 hours, so I guess it’s time for me to vote someone else. Neon changed her mind about me again, it seems. That’s… I don’t even know what to say about that.
VOTE: Magnus
Look, the original list is [Gorta, Lissi | Neon | Lemlem | Eliza, Magnus, Zorvo], but I have Lemlem on null and I didn’t wanna bother explaining why I have four tiers, so I shoved Neon into your tier.
You never asked me about my townreads before AFAICR, and if they sound weakly argumented, then that’s just your opinion.
You mentioned Yesterday how I miscleared someone in my townreads, so I shoved the middle tier into the new scum tier and it somehow suddenly looks more feasible for it to contain the scumteam rather than Neon/Lemlem.
before the claim was that there he is town because “why would Frost bus a mafia PR?”, but now we know that Zorvo could have never been a mafia PR
First of all, Lissi’s PR claim came after Chihiro’s flip, and nobody had fired a vigilante shot, so the existence of a Voyeur was practically confirmed. Nobody counterclaimed Lissi, so they were more or less proven from the onset.
Zorvo’s Town because he was way more hedgy and passive in Starcraft, whereas he’s usually zealous with his reads as Town.
and I still stand by the thing about Frost asking why Zorvo wasn’t SRing me the day he died and voted Zorvo later out of anger
if Zorvo is maf and flipped he wouldn’t have been the mafia PR, so Frost could have made that play
I’m guessing you either agree or don’t have an opinion regarding my townread on Eliza, right?
I still need to take a look
It’s not really related to Eliza ensuring Frost went over, I just thought her interactions with Zone around that time would’ve been really weird if paired.
“Looks like Frost’s going over, I’m going to buss him.”
“I’m going to try and save him.”
And then having Zone carry the nightkill that night.
And I feel like if the plan was to throw both Frost and Zone under the bus to make Eliza good via interactions, Frost (at least) would’ve been more willing to die than he was.
What if I just did something like
VOTE: Lemonfairy
So anyways I’m in desperate need of getting back to the basics of my gameplay which means I’m in desperate need of not doing just about everything I’ve done for the last month straight.
Town (7): Town, Gorta, Town, ElizaThePsycho, Town, Woof, Woof
Wolf (3): Lemonfairy, Neon, Magnus
Town (2): Town, Zorvo
Town (1): Town
Chances woofs stacked all 3 on a runaway wagon should be like almost zero. I’m going to town clear Eliza and Gorta off this.
Lemon Magnus Neon Zorvo.
I think if I’m a part of this wolf team I stack the 3rd vote on Frost so clearing Zorvo.
Lemon Magnus Neon
Woof (4): Town, Neon, Gorta, ElizaThePsycho
Zorvo (3): Woof, Magnus, Woof
Town (1): Town
ElizaThePsycho (1): ZorvoNot Voting (2): Town, Lemonfairy
Neon Gorta Eliza have potential bus cred
Just realized 2 woofs stacked on Zorvo here glad i went back because this means Zorvo is just IC now.
I don’t think 3 woofs stack on Zorvo ever here so Magnus is clear
Lemon not voting
Town (4): Town, Woof, Town, Lemonfairy
Town (3): Magnus, Neon, Zorvo
Zorvo (1): ElizaThePsycho
Magnus (1): TownNot Voting (1): Gorta
Woofs shouldn’t need to stack two on Wazza here which is a good luck for Lemon.
Its hard to believe the 2nd wagon is pure with this structure which is a bad look for me.
Gorta not voting
Woof (3): ElizaThePsycho, Zorvo, Neon
Zorvo (2): Gorta, Woof
Magnus (1): TownNot Voting (2): Magnus, Lemonfairy
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm Lemon didn’t vote either day that a woof was killed
Sussy amogus
?? lol what
ok ig they can be scum together too
who and who?
Chihiro and Zone
wait why those two? I don’t get it
imo ashlyn’s vote & subsequent responses to magnus looked weirder than whatever convo those two were having (tho looking back tsumugi’s first vote on Zone was kinda ?? too)
also tsumugi and Zone were having this miscommunication (?) about what his votes were for/whether he still meant them and idk why that would happen if they were w/w, it just comes off so weird
Lissi ez town
Okay I hate this. Lemon makes a weird pairing. Lissi calls it out and lemons response is to just call Lissi Town and not explain any further
No. Now tell me: Why did you unvote Magnus before you went to sleep?
Why did you not just leave your vote as is?
Reading back its actually crazy how much Zone and Frost went in on each other D1.
VOTE: Eliza
Eliza… actually getting off of her target after having her vote being pointed out is genuinely scary.
Hmmm…
I noticed that Zone is treating Eliza in a similar way to Frost here D1 and Ashlyn is wary of Eliza here to.
Ashlyn is being opportunistic, and Eliza wants a quickhammer. I propose we focus on these two for the remainder of D1.
I do wonder if Zone would be so bold to put two townies here. Reading back is making me ever more wary of Eliza.
What’s the point of this paragraph?
it’s like a “don’t blame me if I’m wrong lol”
Hmm…
So are you trying to drive a Chihiro wagon or not?
not for the moment
In that case, are you trying to not start a case on anyone? Because now it’s starting to look like you were just posting a lot of empty words.
can’t a lemon solve without pushing people?
sheesh
If you’ve only got one scumlean and you don’t want to push them it doesn’t sound like you’re doing much solving.
This keeps going and I think it all looks really bad for Lemon…
yes, I am a wild lemon
organically grown Frostwolf103:What does this means though? Plenty of activity on Day 1 that’s for certain. Lots of wild goose hunts.
that’s your conclusion?
gib me reads
Diving deeper in my ISO you get some reads.
Also make your own
ugh so you’re one of those people
that’s what I’m doing bruh
That’s fine by me.
This feels fake… and performative
I don’t suspect Magnus in the first place. The guy’s suddenly got a flashwagon at the start of the game? Unless he’s the poorest wolf alive, then he’s more often than not town. (That, and his reaction to the wagon doesn’t smell scummy.)
Rather, the fact you are not seeing him as scummy means that there is less tension / conflict, which is exactly what I don’t want. I want conflicting reads to clash each other, and I figured that claiming is the fastest way to get more people talking. (I mean… you can’t deny it didn’t work.)
Hmmm
Okay I’m stopping here for now. But it is my intent to read the entire game over again.