Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Zorvo]

@Gorta

right, but one of them wasn’t known to be true at the time

Lissi was not CC’ed.

[Zorvo]

So it was true

[Zorvo]

@Gorta

how is Zorvo town?

I’m sorry, this can die.

VOTE: Gorta

[Zorvo]

LMAO.
Sure Buddy!

It’s not like I directly pinged everyone (including you) for the PR to out themselves, lol.

[Zorvo]

Why are you voting Lemon?
Didn’t we agree earlier they were town?
Like a couple of day phases ago?

[Zorvo]

@Neon

Chances woofs stacked all 3 on a runaway wagon should be like almost zero. I’m going to town clear Eliza and Gorta off this.

No.

Frost and Zone BOTH voted me together.

Trust me, wolves were playing badly and voting together.

[Zorvo]

@Gorta
Weren’t you Gorta?
Zone be leading you.

[Zorvo]

@Gorta

@Zorvo

Jailkeeper + Poor Excuse for a Watcher (Voyager) = 2

do you trust said claims? these people could be bad and are claiming this to make it look like this

@Neon
Like I’m sorry but no one actually thinks this that’s town.

Gorta goes “these people could be bad” when one already flipped Green.

[Zorvo]

@ElizaThePsycho
@Magnus

Please just vote Gorta here, I’m pretty confident it’s him.

If it’s not I’ll do a re-evaluation over night but right now I’m pretty damn confident it’s just Gorta.

[Zorvo]

@Lemonfairy

You as well, vote Gorta.

[Zorvo]

If we don’t not resolve Gorta today, and I’m wrong.
We will lose MYLO, almost for sure.
Automatically giving Mafia the win.

I don’t think it’s Lemon.

[Zorvo]

@Gorta

thing with frost is that there is mostly fluff in that ISO

@Gorta

I’ve made my decision and I can better evaluate you tomorrow

@Gorta

thing is, depending on Frost’s posting today I would be A-ok voting out frost because I still do think that someone who is make tons of wall posts and “analyzing” meme early d1 fluff are doing so to look good and to “prove themselves”

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Repeat twice

He still hasn’t made his evaluation

yeah, because I just got back here for now

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Hi you’re redchecked by the famous Frostwolf103 how’d you plead?

whatever will I do? I’m so scared (not)

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Zorvo however have my attention first when the game started and I am already late to start making the counterargument, lot of IRL stuff to do that time.

why is your vote on me then?

@Frostwolf103

As far I recall, mostly focused on me and nothing else.

that was before I read you if I recall correctly

@Gorta

anyway, I’m here now and I’ll at least give a more conclusive read on Frost

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Scum: Lissi, Zorvo, Ashlyn

@Frostwolf103

All right, here we go…

VOTE: Ashlyn

I did mention she’s in my scumread

One thing to point out is that Frost barely mentions Ashlyn, but votes for Ashlyn and adds Ashlyn to a scum read pile with little actual read

@Frostwolf103

how common is D1 mafia bussing in this game type setup?

it’s quite rare

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Who is ‘we’?

Oh that’s right, you.

that’s all of us, like you are preflipping me and zorvo (while Zorvo is your main suspect)

@Gorta

@Frostwolf103

Magnus/Zorvo/Neon

am I not a wolf with Zorvo? (I added this because I accidently clicked enter)

@Gorta

why would you try to reaction test me?

@Gorta

VOTE: Frost I think this is the right vote based on everything I’ve seen today

@Gorta

I’m still content voting Frost I think

@Gorta

wait, @Zone_Q11 , how exactly did I save you again?

@Gorta

I don’t have those kind of powers

@Gorta

I’m hoping to have some thoughts on Wazza soon-ish

@Gorta

@Zone_Q11

Zorvo did talk about it more later on.

so the hole goes deeper?

@Gorta

@Zone_Q11

I did suspect him for that:

I see

@Zone_Q11

To which he responded with “it was just a joke” and “it was just a reaction test”, both of which sounds like weak excuses:

Interesting…

@Gorta

I will, you have peaked my interests

These are the posts Gorta made in regards to both Frost and Zone.

One really odd thing to note is Gorta had Zero Interactions with Zone on Day 1.

[Zorvo]

Here’s some Town things from Lemon.

@Lemonfairy

@Frostwolf103

What does this means though? Plenty of activity on Day 1 that’s for certain. Lots of wild goose hunts.

that’s your conclusion?
gib me reads

@Lemonfairy

this post of Frost’s feels like a big pile of nothing
Frost offers no take and just kind of summarizes what has happened

VOTE: Frostwold103
why not lol

@Lemonfairy

@Zone_Q11

Lemon and Lissi discussing Magnus

I don’t remember discussing Magnus

@Lemonfairy

they stay in my POE until they have reads though

@Lemonfairy

what are your reads like rn?
I know you listed a few names already but idk a refresher/more details would be nice

@Lemonfairy

I’d say I’m fairly familiar with town!Zorvo
I’ve been fairly active here for the past few months and we’ve played enough games together

I’ve only seen one scumgame though and I got NK’d early in that one and didn’t read it so I don’t have a strong sense of Zorvo’s scum game
Magnus might be a better source for that

@Lemonfairy

what’s the question?
do you mean if Zorvo’s passiveness is concerning?

idk, in terms of general impression, they’re definitely not sticking their head out as much this game but idk if that’s necessarily AI
posts have been fine imo and I kinda lean towards them coming from town more

@Lemonfairy

what bait?
was that supposed to be an RT or something?

could you explain what you were doing, why you were doing it, and what you got from it?

@Lemonfairy

just sheep me on Frost then

@Lemonfairy

popping in

hey Frost, can I get 3 strongest townreads and 3 strongest scumreads from you?

@Lemonfairy

ou’d just voted there last phase

Also this here isn’t a partner interaction lmao.

@Lemonfairy

I think me remembering Neon being pro-bussing had something to do with it
but actually, you’re probably right since I don’t really see why wolf!Neon would bus in this instance unless she’s prepared to carry the team for the rest of the game

@Lemonfairy

so Wazza’s SR on Lissi made you TR Wazza?
do you agree with it? you said it was agreeable but you have Lissi as null

@Lemonfairy

???
where did this come from and how did you scumread Zorvo from those posts?

@Lemonfairy

I’m also kind of curious why you buffed up some of your posts ISOing people with posts from others that are kind of irrelevant, e.g., for your Gorta wall above, you include some posts of mine which I think are just… very useless and not a great source of content that would help to read Gorta either way

I read the first 150 of Lemon’s posts and I’m sorry but this is just town here.
They don’t look partnered with wolves or informed.

@Neon

[Zorvo]

Trust me guys when I say Wolves played bad this game.

They both played
“Follow the PR”
In both Public and Private Chat.

Zone was doing all the work.

Gorta and Frost were being carried by them.

[Zorvo]

So they did whatever Zone told them.

[Zorvo]

@Lemonfairy

@Zone_Q11

VOTE: Frostwolf103

if you’d just voted there last phase

This post got cut a bit in the wall thing I made but yeah.

This interaction is Not done by a partner to partner.

[Zorvo]

I just do not see how a wolf says that to a partner.

[Zorvo]

@Lemonfairy

do you think this scum team is the kind to NK someone b/c they are high in their reads and it will make them look good or are they the kind of kill someone b/c they will make pushing certain people harder?

probably too much speculation and WIFOM there to be worth discussing

@Zone_Q11

I need to check who Mistyx townread, but it’s rather rare to kill players because of this reason. The latter reasoning of “kill any threats” is far more common than the former one.

@Lemonfairy

I quoted her reads just a few posts above

another question: how likely do you think all 3 scum were on Ashlyn by EOD?

@Zone_Q11

The wagons were not stabilizing, and I didn’t want to be hedge-y with my votes. I didn’t check the reason as to why Ashlyn or Frost was voted; I only checked who was more likely to die, and just… waited, before locking in on that player.

@Zone_Q11

Actually, I already checked Ashlyn’s wagon. (P#905)
That wagon was deemed as “the stable wagon” by that time and I didn’t even bother checking the other wagon because I try to avoid CFD shenanigans. (Though admittedly I had a clear preference of Wazza over Ashlyn/Frost, but that wagon never went anywhere.)

@Zone_Q11

@Lemonfairy

how likely do you think all 3 scum were on Ashlyn by EOD?

That would be more plausible than having no scum on Ashlyn’s wagon. The best world would be if Frost was scum, coupled with two of [Chihiro, Lissi, Gorta]. (This would somewhat explain his lax nature; his scumbuddies could’ve just parked their vote on Ashlyn and just go AFK.)
…oh, and I guess Eliza could also be part of w!Frost’s scumbuddy too.

@Neon you saying you don’t think all 3 wolves were on the day 1 wagon, here was Zone’s response to that with a question Lemon asked.

[Zorvo]

@Zone_Q11

Chihiro, Lissi, Gorta

Rule of 3.

2 Town PR’s and a dude that can very much so be a wolf.

[Zorvo]

@ElizaThePsycho
@Magnus

Gorta is a good vote today!