Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Neon]

Alllllll by myselfffffffffff

[Neon]

Don’t wanna be

[Neon]

All by myself anymoreeeeeeee

[Magnus]

I’m not a lazy person, I just get things done when I want to.

[Host_Account_5]

Votecount as of post #1084

Frostwolf103 (3): Zone_Q11, Zorvo, Lissi
Lissi (1): Wazza
Zorvo (1): Neon

Not Voting (6): ElizaThePsycho, Chihiro, Frostwolf103, Gorta, Lemonfairy, Magnus

[Wazza]

@Lissi

examples/elaboration please

these points are kinda vague and I don’t even think what you’re describing is true

These points weren’t ones you should be asking for explanations for as they’re pretty self explanatory no matter how vague.

The first one is what I am talking about with how you did nothing but ask questions to people during the start of the day and later on in it as well, the second is a follow up as all you really did was ask questions about that sort of thing, you didn’t make any sort of attempt to make reads from what you were answered with or anything, it was like you were just trying to trip people up for a chance to capitalise.

The last one is in relation to your vote on Ashlyn, there was no build up, you just went “Yeah I can vote this” without anything beforehand, it was odd and didn’t make much sense for you to suddenly decide that based on what you had talked about during the day instead.

@Lissi

also, I’m pretty sure I said d1 that I was in a hurry to leave for an appointment and might not be back, even w/o the detailed explanation of stuff

Yeah I noticed that but that one is my bad but it doesn’t disregard the other points I made

[Lissi]

oops I didn’t see this last night, but yeah can you explain your thoughts on why wazza’s alignment is related to frost’s

[Lissi]

@Wazza

The first one is what I am talking about with how you did nothing but ask questions to people during the start of the day and later on in it as well

I do ask a lot of questions, bc I feel like hammering out little clarifications is very useful for my understanding of others, even though most likely will not lead to some grand conclusion

It’s incorrect that I did nothing but ask questions; if you read my iso, it should be evident that I also make my own conclusion and discuss my own thoughts.

@Wazza

you didn’t make any sort of attempt to make reads from what you were answered with or anything, it was like you were just trying to trip people up for a chance to capitalise.

I think you should check my iso again, because this is blatantly untrue. Often, some of my questions clarifying a misunderstanding that leads to me feeling the person is townier.

Also, I did make reads. As shown by the very clear readlists I posted, idk how you could have missed that entirely

@Wazza

The last one is in relation to your vote on Ashlyn, there was no build up, you just went “Yeah I can vote this” without anything beforehand, it was odd and didn’t make much sense for you to suddenly decide that based on what you had talked about during the day instead.

Yeah, there was buildup, Ashlyn was someone I had as a scumlean for most of the day. (and was clearly ordered as such in my readlist)

It was sudden, but I had obv been thinking about it before

[Lissi]

Okay so @Wazza I have some questions in return

I know you said you don’t have glasses still but if you’re able, please do answer

1. did you actually read my iso? or was all of that just some impressions you got while reading?

2. do you have any read on Frost? or any thoughts about his wagon today?

3. what’s your read on Magnus?

[Lissi]

tbh, I think today has been abnormally quiet. I kinda expected like, 100 more posts after I went to sleep

I still think Frost is prob the best exe today, but has everyone else just agreed with exeing Frost and is just biding their time to vote, or what?

[Lissi]

also btw early heads up just in case I forget to say it later, but I likely won’t be here for EOD again because on saturday I’m going on an all-day trip w my parents

[Zorvo]

@Magnus

I’m not a lazy person, I just get things done when I want to.

Where’s the context?

[Zone_Q11]

AFAIK about four people agreed to solve Frost and the man in question never left a response. With no defense to tackle and everyone else basically either continuing to play their own game of “wait and see”, or finished saying whatever they have to say, few of us have anything left to talk about.

[Frostwolf103]

First; I apologize for my tardiness in day 2, I will be gone away for few hours before I have more free time in second half of in-game day 2

I can’t deny I am quite in predicament so I make sure I have valid points before I might getting demised or able to convince to execute someone else that is within my scumreads which is surprisingly not Zorvo, it’s not because I am not convinced Zorvo is wolf but what’s the follow up after his wolf flip; who are his buddies?

Let’s start with his interactions so far:

@Zorvo

So much for MathBlade joining.

I get that reference, but not relevant opening post for him in this game.

@Lemonfairy

oh wow this started

@Magnus

Alignment indicative because you didn’t immediately realise the game started.

@Lemonfairy

oh
this exists

@Lemonfairy

yaaahhhhhhh game started

@Lemonfairy

yeah, I was town for both of those games

@Magnus

I’m saying you’re Town again this game, off one singular post. Everyone will say I’m making this read up, it’s not really AI, whatever, but I swear these microreads are usually pretty accurate.

@Zorvo

Call this gut if you want.
But I don’t think Magnus speaks about a partner like this.

So Magnus/Lemon unaligned.

I agree this interaction is NAI, I pretty much said this already actually

@Chihiro

i didnt expect this to start today

I suppose the vibe between Lemon and Chihiro is different even though they said basically the same thing, simple observation

@Lemonfairy

VOTE: Chihiro
b/c vibes

@Zorvo

Vibes, I feel you.

VOTE: Chihiro

This is sheep vote of course

@Magnus

I’m giving him room, but it’s worth pointing out that w!Zorvo plays much more passively than v!Zorvo. Sheeping isn’t especially AI.

So hold up Magnus

@Zorvo

Call this gut if you want.
But I don’t think Magnus speaks about a partner like this.

So Magnus/Lemon unaligned.

@Magnus

This does remind me of his Starcraft game, though. Starting off with a fairly weak read because that’s how he perceives he’ll be expected, but sheeping your vote is probably NAI. It can’t be a buss or a push either way, but I would expect a hypothetical w!Zorvo to unvote w!Chihiro sooner rather than later.

@Lemonfairy

this post’s kinda pockety too idk
we’ll see we’ll see

This is Lemon’s response to Zorvo’s vote on Chihiro

@Magnus

Similarly to the unaligned read, this is a weak enough read. Gutreading a villager as villager isn’t…

Are you saying that this is more confident how Zorvo read Zone?

@Zorvo

Hold Up.

@Mistyx
Why do you townread Lissi?

@Magnus

Doesn’t really follow up on this.

Here’s what I have to mention this

@Mistyx

i think this one is prob ~moreso than the chihiro stuff but i might be letting meta get in the way of things

about to go to sleep but i’m skimmed caught up

not gonna be sharing thoughts until they’re more formed, after watching how botf went i have some plans on how i’m gonna play that i wanna put in place

@Mistyx

i’m suspecting zorvo and neon right now

im also curious why you’re saying me and ash is more likely w/w without giving a proper read on us :3

@Zorvo

Your suspecting me for what again?

@Magnus

Potential motive for killing Mist.

Is it connected with this? Given how Ashlyn/Aelin got flipped green, this seems rather giving more questions than answers

@Host_Account_5

Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zorvo

@Mistyx

VOTE: Neon

i’m gonna go here :3

anyone have any thoughts

I need to look for Zorvo/Neon interactions

@Neon

It is vastly important u answer this question

What’s your favorite ice cream flavor?

@Zorvo

Fuck that’s hard.
I would normally say Chocolate but like.
I also like Butterscotch.
I like Vanilla.
I like Chocolate Bar Ice Cream Flavours like Reese’s, Smarties, KitKat, etc.

So I can’t really give you a straight answer on this one.

@Neon

Damn nobody fell for my trap card

(AKA Reaction test)

@Neon

Zorvo almost did but…

@Zorvo

Spell Card Activate!

Book of Moon!

I don’t like Zorvo’s answer, interestingly when I did the reaction test where I put Zone on Magnus vote wagon, Neon is skeptical my reaction test wouldn’t work that way which is note worth to be remember that

@Frostwolf103

the new vote system also makes it bit harder to isolate who voted against you.

Although five people voted against you:

Mistyx
(Myself)
Ashlyn
Zone_Q11
Eliza

Interesting about the interaction between Chihiro and Ashlyn is that wild Lemonfairy and Zorvo appeared.

What does this means though? Plenty of activity on Day 1 that’s for certain. Lots of wild goose hunts.

@Zone_Q11

Quote me.

@Frostwolf103

The game have just started and the reason I decide to back out from the vote on Magnus is two-fold: I would pay attention who voted against Magnus and decided that Magnus is leaning as town to me.

@Zone_Q11

Meanwhile…

@Frostwolf103

Mistyx
(Myself)
Ashlyn
Zone_Q11
Eliza

@Neon

At least and probably exactly one of these is a wolf.

@Zorvo

So basically you think 1/4 of Zone, Ash, Mist and Eliza is a wolf?

Neon and Zorvo are not aware at this moment, yet. My ‘mistake’ is actually reaction test who would pay attention to that detail

@Neon

Mistyx
Frostwolf103
Ashlyn
Eliza

Is this the correct vote order of the Magnus wagon from earlier?

@Frostwolf103

Zorvo do realizes his mistake

@Neon

???

@Frostwolf103

VOTE: Zorvo

@Ashlyn

Yurp
Frost and I had both gotten off before Eliza voted, though.

@Frostwolf103

Because Zone never voted Magnus, I put his name intentionally hoping someone fell into my trap.

@Neon

I find this… decidedly unlikely

VOTE: Frostwolf103

Now, first red flag to me while I am reading during N1

@Neon

I’d bet a substantial sum of my non existent money that there is one wolf in

Misty
Frost
Ashlyn.

Exactly one. Which one I donut know.

@Ashlyn

Does this refer to your read on Magnus, or your PoE of me/Frost/Mist?

@Neon

PoE.

With both Ashlyn/Aelin and Mistyx died, I look like scapegoat at this point

@Neon

But let’s go down this rabbit hole. Why is Zorvo the scummy one here? I also didn’t notice.

@Frostwolf103

Zorvo should have noticed Zone didn’t voted Magnus when I pointed out

Especially he replied to you about ‘if’ there is one wolf voting Magnus at the time he named Zone as among the ‘four’ and left me out as fifth ‘voter’

You read back to find inconsistency in my statement about five voters on Magnus wagon and you found it: Zone didn’t voted Magnus in the first place

So how come Zorvo failed to notice this?

Yeah and I didn’t able to connect the dots in that day I post in this current comment that Zorvo/Neon feels off

@Magnus

You may have exposed his lack of research, sure, but is that wolf indicative?

When I answered your question, I haven’t noticed this connection I mentioned above until now

@Neon

Hey that’s like exactly what i said lol

@Magnus

Mindmeld lock town.

Don’t be so quick on this, I have presented an counterpoint between Zorvo and Neon, heck even Day 2 circumstances have changed that Neon while still on me together with Zorvo, Neon’s perspective on Zorvo have changed that rubs the wrong way for Neon.

Moving on

@Zorvo

Yeah Gorta is probably town.
They are responding to Lemon here genuinely.

They are content on the fact there is not much content to go off of.
I find that a good look for Gorta.

@Lemonfairy

why is this a good look?

@Zorvo

Cause they are sticking on being content.
I’d say my read on Gorta!Town isn’t as solid as my read on you but I think if I look at it and look at my expectations on how Gorta plays and how they go about both alignments, they seem Rand Town by it.

@Zorvo

You could also call it Bias cause I don’t think there was ever a game where I wolf read Gorta.

Or at least not one I can recall.

I don’t like the lack of confidence on this one, why would Zorvo not scumread Gorta?

@Zorvo

I was kinda hesitant to ask this question cause I already think your town and that’s a big purpose of this question is to get a read But I’m gonna ask it anyway.

Why do you townread me?

@Lemonfairy

firstly, the bar for this game is set to very low b/c idk, I’m just not seeing a lot of people trying to solve/form reads/obvtown

that aside, you did have some takes that I liked (Zone gut town, me/Mist not aligned, etc.)
I also think (and this read doesn’t have actual substance behind it b/c a lot of other factors can come into play) you would as scum, in a threadstate such as this, take advantage of it to try and lead, which you’re not doing here

@Zorvo

Maybe I only Gut Town you and maybe my read on you is Bias, so answering my question sounds like a good idea.

@Zorvo

Good Explanation.
I’m content with my town read on you and will shield you from being executed today.

Same answer to Gorta, same view from me I mentioned previously from this second quote, I get the feeling first quote is for Magnus, Lemonfairy? Both can go either way

@Lissi

why’s this a maybe?

Lissi make good question for the first quote above

@Zorvo

Why you asking?

Answering a question with question.

@Zorvo

It’s SoD1 and you’re questioning a sheep vote is lol.
Calling it wolfy is one thing but expecting my posts be completely justifiable is a lol no.

I’d presume this is about Lemonfairy

@Lemonfairy

VOTE: Chihiro
b/c vibes

NAI is one thing, now defending that vote is not questionable?

@Zorvo

It’s just that I want to call it more then a gut but can’t find everything together right now to do so.

All I got is they can’t be aligned with Magnus or Misty.

@Lissi

Ah ok, thanks

was asking because I thought it might be you trying to hedge

Might be.

@Zorvo

I’ll say this,
Lissi’s Line of Questioning and their solving so far makes me town lean them.

I can see that as well

@Mistyx

@Wazza @ElizaThePsycho @Gorta do none of you care about trying to clear yourselves today?

@Zorvo

Bro I’m looking and you’re pinging Gorta.
What would Gorta do that’s clearing?

I personally found Gorta Gut Town by their recent posting, could just be bias (cause I do be like that.) but I’m not sure what your looking at/for here lol.

Drawing attention that he townreads Gorta, noted.

@Mistyx

i don’t think answering this is going to help either of us solve the game so i’m not going to engage with it

if i thought it was meaningful i would have answered it

@Mistyx

because if you think this is going to help you get a read on me then you really don’t know how to read me :p

@Zorvo

Lmao.
I just asked that question, it was new.

You just don’t wanna engage with me.

Admit it, your scared of me.

@Mistyx

why would i be?

@Zorvo

VOTE: Misty

Tbh tbh.

Hmm tsk tsk, that’s second red flag.

@Zorvo

Cause I drive you up the wall

@Mistyx

well yeah but i wouldn’t describe that as fear i just find interacting with you frustrating

@Zorvo

Did you find both the subjects I talked to you about frustrating?

@Mistyx

yes i think you’re pressuing me on things that don’t matter

@Zorvo

I think it does matter, I feel to me it matters.

@Zorvo

I feel like you’re lying and avoiding directly answering.
Cause you for some reason don’t feel a need to follow up with the Magnus read and that makes me think that “hesitation” is fake and not genuine.

@Mistyx

don’t feel a need to follow up with the magnus read because i don’t want to kill magnus today and i think they’ll be more readable with more content

@Zorvo

Like sure you asked for the read and gave your own thoughts on the read but it didn’t look like you directly cleared to discuss more about Lissi’s read?

But why feel the need to bring concern on Magnus Read anyway, when all you did is give Lissi doubt on a read that she can absolutely be right about.

@Zorvo

What!?
This has nothing to do with Magnus being pushed.
This has to do with you not talking with Lissi directly about their read on Magnus that they had.
You didn’t follow up on them.
You just brought attention to Magnus and made a reason to make Magnus look less Townie.

@Mistyx

i wanted to give doubt on the read because i didn’t think magnus’s posts justified that level of confidence

@Zorvo

Ok that’s actually fair.

VOTE: unvote

With this interaction alone, this begs the question: Why would W!Zorvo himself or convince the others to attack Mistyx that way? Is it because it shouldn’t be connected to this and pretty much NAI?

@Zorvo

I don’t really hate it.
I feel like they are just trying to put their thoughts together.

So…Zorvo/Lissi being Null between them?

@Zorvo

Fun Fact: I don’t pay attention to everything.

Bite Me!

As a joke, no I won’t bite vote you, I rather tighten the noose for your collaborators so you can get hanged as second, you have my word - no caesar salad

@Zorvo

Hmm who is a player I haven’t engaged with yet for a read that could be a wolf?

Chihiro or Wazza of whom should I vote?

I think I’ll go in the order I have.

VOTE: Chihiro

Third red flag, yes I believe what he said is correct and looks NAI just as the first time he voted he sheeped with Lemonfairy

@Zorvo

Vibes, I feel you.

VOTE: Chihiro

@Zorvo

The dude also asked to be executed and I tend to avoid voting people who ask that cause more of the time then not they are town.

Time for real business

@Zorvo

I don’t wolf read Mist anymore after their last response.
I wouldn’t say I town lean them at all, MAYBE Null Town but even that might be a bit too pushy of a given read but I’ll put them there anyway and see how things progress with her.

Misty make good progress and died for this, that is called motive.

@Zorvo

Can’t really say Ash is town read but I’ll vote this slot who I don’t really have any read on since Ash already has lots of votes.

VOTE: Wazza

Afraid of hammering, NAI. Personally myself I find Wazza make good impression despite low post count

@ElizaThePsycho

nevermind
VOTE: Frost

@Zorvo

VOTE: Ash

What’s that?

You know what, hotshot? Three red flag is a crimson flag. I have no doubt about you, you got some leftovers of wolf fur on your clothes.

@Zorvo

Eliza might be wolves with Ash if they are town from that switch vote to Frost but Wazza might be better vote.

VOTE: Wazza

Have to get back to work now.

This…is confusing to read, believe me that I am no Zorvo’s alt when I say this!

Aelin flipped green so does that mean Eliza is town as well? I don’t recall Zorvo have read Eliza too much besides

Helluva Boss Mafia - Day 2 (11/13)

@Wazza @ElizaThePsycho @Gorta do none of you care about trying to clear yourselves today?

@ElizaThePsycho

not today
that’s impossible
i can try to contribute to do it later but

@Mistyx

why do you think it is?

@ElizaThePsycho

it is physically impossible for me to make enough D1 content to be cleared

@Zorvo

OMG. LOCKTOWN

No interaction however as far I know

@Zorvo

Joking

…great.

@Zorvo

I wouldn’t mind going Frost then Eliza tbh.

VOTE: Frost

Hmph I see what you’re doing, so here’s a question for you @Zorvo Would you still going after Eliza if I end up dying by EoD2 regardless of the alignment?

@Zorvo

I don’t have a confident read either way on Magnus yet which I can’t tell if I should be concerned or not.

What happened to the conversation?

@Zorvo

I’m reading the last part and I’m like.

Doesn’t it only make Wazza look bad when I flip town?
Assuming you want to kill my slot doesn’t that mean you wolf read me in some way?

I think after Day 1, yeah I do now and there’s several others too that speak for themselves.

@Zorvo

Did you leave out my interaction with Mist?

Zorvo/Magnus does seem unlikely to be partnered together

@Wazza

I feel Magnus has TMI after reading recent thread things

@Magnus

Ooh, on what? I’m inclined to take this positively.

@Wazza

It’s in this, you bring up mentioning killing Zorvo to make me look bad.

I don’t get it, I just don’t understand why. Zorvo pointed something along these lines as well, this post just feels out of place

@Zorvo

Magnus also knows I’m self improving so I’m not feeling fantastic about what he has said so far.

@Magnus

Killing Zorvo would make you look bad because he voted you instead of the leading wagons EOD1, and lacked other scumreads which could explain his departure.

@Zorvo

Magnus did you respond to this?
If anyone seen a response to this please let me know post number as I must have missed it!

Pressuring Magnus, he may want to answer on his time.

Zorvo/Magnus does seem unlikely to be partnered together

@Zorvo

So are you saying you think me and Wazza are wolves and I placed my vote on Wazza before leaving for the rest of the day?

I don’t do that as a wolf. I’d full blown go for it or I’d just not do it at all.

Least I think so as I’m not a wolf.

@Magnus

No, I don’t think you’re aligned with Wazza.

@Zorvo

?
I’m confused.

Please restate your post in regards to Wazza looking bad and elaborate on it and explain what you think I’m flipping.

@Magnus

I have no idea what you’re flipping. I hadn’t been giving your slot a second glance until Lemon prompted me to.

@Lemonfairy

@Magnus what do you think of Zorvo so far?
anything pinging you there?

@Magnus

In all honesty, given how your vote on Wazza was really the only noteworthy action you seemed to take yesterday (offence isn’t intended), it almost seems too obvious if you were killed that it was to make Wazza look bad… in conjunction with Ashlyn’s last vote being on Wazza. Except you weren’t killed, Mist was.

Why would Wazza look bad if you died voting her? I feel like the answer should be self-explanatory.

@Zorvo

Yeah but there is a difference between someone being Night killed and someone being executed.
Main difference is the player night killed is like always gonna be town.

That seems like inconsistency I point out, so here’s second crimson flag, why in that case why Wazza hasn’t died on Night 1 but Mistyx sure did. Although I am thinking myself, would mafia bus one of the members early on as Day 1? It didn’t seem to have tension with Wazza’s wagon

@Host_Account_5

Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zorvo

Zorvo/Zone? No? Yes? Why?

No idea, there’s barely any interaction between them.

That being said, hello Day 2. I hope you’ve read the wallpost with delightful insight.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

That being said, hello Day 2. I hope you’ve read the wallpost with delightful insight.

I have not and I don’t imagine anyone would do it either, given its extensive length.

[Zone_Q11]

Skimmed it.
TL;DR Zorvo sus.

Anything else I missed?

[Frostwolf103]

@Gorta

in my experience the most of d1 is usually fluff posting, so getting x town or y scum reads from so little is not very reliable

@Gorta

literally by the time I got here yesterday people were making reads and 90% of the posts were fluff/joke posts/votes

Sounds basically like me how I view D1 mostly as well, but I may have to lose diehard habits to improve myself. HOWEVER!

@Gorta

the first bit of Frost’s ISO is mostly fluff, so it does make it difficult to get a d1 read on Frost because of that

@Lemonfairy

firstly, the bar for this game is set to very low b/c idk, I’m just not seeing a lot of people trying to solve/form reads/obvtown

that aside, you did have some takes that I liked (Zone gut town, me/Mist not aligned, etc.)
I also think (and this read doesn’t have actual substance behind it b/c a lot of other factors can come into play) you would as scum, in a threadstate such as this, take advantage of it to try and lead, which you’re not doing here

@Gorta

exactly, anyone who can make solid town/scum reads I don’t have much trust in because there is not much there to base reads on

I don’t like this passive play

@Gorta

lol, the attention to details Zorvo made is really good

I have conflicting view on that, I am afraid.

@Gorta

that’s make or break on a wazza vote because I seem to remember Wazza not focusing much on d1 and if so it’s nothing out of the ordinary so far

@Mistyx

more as scum than as town of what i’ve seen

@Gorta

what do you mean?

@Mistyx

wazza has played d1 actively as scum but low efforts as town from what i recall

Given how Mistyx died

@Gorta

right, so based on this wazza shouldn’t be a wagon

Interesting?

@Gorta

thing with frost is that there is mostly fluff in that ISO

Repeat once

@Gorta

I feel like Ashlyn is being a bit too serious for a d1 play though

@Gorta

VOTE: Ashlyn this is my vote for now

noted.

@Gorta

I’ve made my decision and I can better evaluate you tomorrow

@Gorta

thing is, depending on Frost’s posting today I would be A-ok voting out frost because I still do think that someone who is make tons of wall posts and “analyzing” meme early d1 fluff are doing so to look good and to “prove themselves”

Repeat twice

He still hasn’t made his evaluation

@Zone_Q11

Anything else I missed?

A lot, with capital A

[Frostwolf103]

TL;DR

Zorvo/Chihiro = vibes ???
Zorvo/Lemon = vibes ???
Zorvo/Eliza = vibes ???
Zorvo/Neon = vibes mixed
Zorvo/Lissi = vibes mixed
Zorvo/Wazza = vibes mixed
Zorvo/Zone = vibes mixed
Zorvo/Gorta vibes Hot
Zorvo/Frost = vibes Hot
Zorvo/Magnus = vibes Hot
Zorvo/Ashlyn = vibes Hot
Zorvo/Misty witch-hour vibes

[Frostwolf103]

Personally, I will go with Gorta on this one

VOTE: Gorta

Should anyone have questions I can answer about this vote, do please read back on my D2 Wallpost.

[Frostwolf103]

@Zorvo

Fun Fact: I don’t pay attention to everything.

Bite Me!

@Frostwolf103

As a joke, no I won’t bite vote you, I rather tighten the noose for your collaborators so you can get hanged as second, you have my word - no caesar salad

Also in short, this is what I am doing atm.

Now I should have some hours of peace (and more townreading)