Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Lissi]

…Uh. That was a lot.

[Lissi]

If you’re solving off Zorvo scum but Zorvo hasn’t flipped yet, why are you voting Gorta and not Zorvo?

And if you wrote this today, why include Ashlyn and Mistyx in your solve?

And also hot means more likely to be scumbuddies?

[Frostwolf103]

@Lissi

…Uh. That was a lot.

Yes, it is a lot of reading.

[Frostwolf103]

@Lissi

And also hot means more likely to be scumbuddies?

Interactions, I do have for one that Zorvo townreads Gorta

@Zorvo

Yeah Gorta is probably town.
They are responding to Lemon here genuinely.

They are content on the fact there is not much content to go off of.
I find that a good look for Gorta.

@Lemonfairy

why is this a good look?

@Zorvo

Cause they are sticking on being content.
I’d say my read on Gorta!Town isn’t as solid as my read on you but I think if I look at it and look at my expectations on how Gorta plays and how they go about both alignments, they seem Rand Town by it.

@Zorvo

You could also call it Bias cause I don’t think there was ever a game where I wolf read Gorta.

Or at least not one I can recall

@Frostwolf103

I don’t like the lack of confidence on this one, why would Zorvo not scumread Gorta?

@Zorvo

Bro I’m looking and you’re pinging Gorta.
What would Gorta do that’s clearing?

I personally found Gorta Gut Town by their recent posting, could just be bias (cause I do be like that.) but I’m not sure what your looking at/for here lol.

@Frostwolf103

Drawing attention that he townreads Gorta, noted.

@Lissi

If you’re solving off Zorvo scum but Zorvo hasn’t flipped yet, why are you voting Gorta and not Zorvo?

@Frostwolf103

As a joke, no I won’t bite vote you, I rather tighten the noose for your collaborators so you can get hanged as second, you have my word - no caesar salad

@Frostwolf103

I can’t deny I am quite in predicament so I make sure I have valid points before I might getting demised or able to convince to execute someone else that is within my scumreads which is surprisingly not Zorvo, it’s not because I am not convinced Zorvo is wolf but what’s the follow up after his wolf flip; who are his buddies?

This

[Lissi]

@Frostwolf103

Is it connected with this? Given how Ashlyn/Aelin got flipped green, this seems rather giving more questions than answers

How is Magnus saying Zorvo should have followed up on his question to Mistyx about me, Mistyx calling Zorvo sus, and Ashlyn flipping green supposed to be connected?

@Frostwolf103

I can see that as well

Didn’t I say all of that before you dumped that scumread on me all of a sudden at EOD anyways?

I don’t get it, what changed?

[Lissi]

@Frostwolf103

This

Well, I still don’t think it makes sense. Why go for a “maybe collaborator” over a “certain wolf”?

Also, overall it feels like you’re just saying that if Zorvo is wolf, the more strongly he townreads someone, the more likely they are to be his scumbuddy.

Which… the conclusion doesn’t make sense, and you don’t even know or want to verify if the premise is true.

[Lissi]

Can you answer Zone’s earlier question about why you didn’t vote Ashlyn for self-pres until the very end?

And also why you decided to not state your scumreads/reasons until the very end, where you just namedropped all at once

[Lissi]

@Frostwolf103

Zorvo/Frost = vibes Hot

oh wait you also included yourself XD

[Lissi]

I kinda hope this wasn’t just some giant copypasta or something orz, but if it was and I missed the joke then don’t reply to my questions about your Zorvo posts

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

@Magnus

I’m not a lazy person, I just get things done when I want to.

Where’s the context?

Me being online all of yesterday but posting far less because reasons. I was here the entire time, I just felt really tired. It’s possibly iron deficiency, it could be me being a slob. Either way, I’ve been lethargic.
(Kinda like ‘80s Wild Overhaul, when you think about it.)

@Frostwolf103

@Magnus

Similarly to the unaligned read, this is a weak enough read. Gutreading a villager as villager isn’t…

Are you saying that this is more confident how Zorvo read Zone?

I’m just saying Zorvo hasn’t been solving to the extent I would expect from him.

[Frostwolf103]

@Lissi

And if you wrote this today, why include Ashlyn and Mistyx in your solve?

I did indeed wrote this today, the wallpost is about mostly for Zorvo’s interaction and where his train of thought is going, if you catch my drift.

Why Ashlyn and Mistyx is included is because of interactions, also tied with other posts like

@Neon

I’d bet a substantial sum of my non existent money that there is one wolf in

Misty
Frost
Ashlyn.

Exactly one. Which one I donut know.

This is why I have mixed vibes about Zorvo/Neon since this one is posted by D1

@Neon

VOTE: Zorvo

This is a pressure view because I’m getting pinged but I’m spiritually on Frost right now

I am bringing this wallpost up and I should be correct on my read, then I will certainly execute Zorvo later rather than sooner so there will be one wolf left.

@Lissi

I kinda hope this wasn’t just some giant copypasta or something orz, but if it was and I missed the joke then don’t reply to my questions about your Zorvo posts

…no, its not copypasta.

@Lissi

oh wait you also included yourself XD

Uh-huh, why not include myself?

@Lissi

And also why you decided to not state your scumreads/reasons until the very end, where you just namedropped all at once

Because there’s lot to catch up and analyse, even if I was being present time to time at Day 1, I may missed some more.

@Lissi

Can you answer Zone’s earlier question about why you didn’t vote Ashlyn for self-pres until the very end?

@Lissi

Also, overall it feels like you’re just saying that if Zorvo is wolf, the more strongly he townreads someone, the more likely they are to be his scumbuddy

The one flaw I will admit is that I am pretty much out of brain juice to figure out the 3rd wolf, could be anyone.

@Lissi

Didn’t I say all of that before you dumped that scumread on me all of a sudden at EOD anyways?

3 hours before EoD if I recall it right and I see what you mean

@Frostwolf103

What I get to understand is that Chihiro / Tsumugi (According to Lissi as different nickname) is pocketing Zone into voting Ashlyn because Chihiro changed the vote that used to be Zone_Q11 which Ashlyn immediately voted after Chihiro? Lissi is confused about the situation, I think I am feeling left out for this interaction

@Magnus

Something’s pinging me about Lissi’s posts. Eh, I’m sure it’ll be fine.
Basic thoughts, calling me town for putting in effort, shading groups, yada yada yada easily fakeable. Don’t townread effort, please. Especially not from me, on the first day.

@Frostwolf103

I think I get what you’re trying to point this out, Lissi sees wolf theatrics between Chihiro and Zone as weird scenario? In the next post, Lissi put in Chihiro/Ashlyn/Zone

(I forgot what’s called for mafia strat, although I am letting the conversation play out more for today and also read back what occurred during the conversation)

And to Lissi’s current read, Zone comes around as more likely to be townread than Chihiro/Ashlyn, as Lissi isn’t confident in their reads between these three?

@Lemonfairy

hey Frost, can I get 3 strongest townreads and 3 strongest scumreads from you?

@Frostwolf103

Town: Magnus, Neon, Wazza
Scum: Lissi, Zorvo, Ashlyn

In no particular order, even though I say strong to weak

Well for my excuse, I did this for Magnus and honestly I think Magnus ignored me on that.

@Frostwolf103

@Lissi

was the read just the confusion thing or was it something else

@Frostwolf103

Right this one’s for Magnus.

@Zone_Q11

Okay, so based on these reads, I have come to the following conclusion:
VOTE: Frostwolf103

Hammer lol

On serious note

@Frostwolf103

Is it connected with this? Given how Ashlyn/Aelin got flipped green, this seems rather giving more questions than answers

@Lissi

How is Magnus saying Zorvo should have followed up on his question to Mistyx about me, Mistyx calling Zorvo sus, and Ashlyn flipping green supposed to be connected?

The reason I am not voting Neon I find Zorvo/Neon unaligned today, her PoE consisted between me/Misty/Ashlyn which both of two are now dead. I would think that I am going to be scapegoat now.

How is it related to you and Ashlyn, Lissi?

Your analyse with Zone/Chihiro/Aelin interaction doesn’t bode me well for some reason, admittedly I have no proof atm why I put you on my PoE List in first place, I have to re-evaluate my reads and got you dropped back to Null.

Maybe it has to do with Magnus which I townread him at the time. And I would like to bring your analyse to Magnus’ attention

@Lissi

also tsumugi and Zone were having this miscommunication (?) about what his votes were for/whether he still meant them and idk why that would happen if they were w/w, it just comes off so weird

I suppose I can ask you, can you clarify more about this?

@Lissi

(tho looking back tsumugi’s first vote on Zone was kinda ?? too)

@Lissi

^will add that also I think this doesn’t seem like it would be a pocketing move (?)

like, Zone answers tsumugi’s question
tsumugi immediately votes Zone

the only thing I don’t get is tsumugi’s vote, but his comments after, all make sense, and don’t seem like an attempt to pocket

@Lissi

So what’s the reason for deciding to sheep Lemon suddenly?

I have once said this is good question to Zorvo

@Lissi

It looks more like he decided to vote Ashlyn on his own and it just happened to be posted after your vote, not that he looked at your vote and was like, hmm yeah let me sheep Zone

@Ashlyn

What’s opportunistic about being curious about an OMGUS vote and voting someone who’s got one vote on them? Where does the potential “positive benefit” from that come from?

@Lissi

What’d you get from the vote? You never said what was initially intriguing (or I guess, it’s the OMGUS part?) and dropped the topic after the vote and its two immediate vote reactions (which idk why you wouldn’t just say this then), and your reads of Zone after are solely from his reads and stuff, right?

@Ashlyn

It’s not enough to see something you don’t understand and wiggle a finger at it. You need to have an actual comprehensive thought surrounding it. How would it be pocketing you if I didn’t talk to you before or after?

@Lissi

fwiw, this isn’t a strong point against it, bc it would totally make sense to try to pocket by diving in, and then the votes on you would have shut down further talking after.

but now that I’m thinking on it more, hmm I guess it’s a little unlikely that would be the intention anyways because you’re the second vote

@Lissi

I don’t totally get what you’re getting at here when bringing up your (confused??) summary again, but it reads like you don’t get what the point my posts were getting at… which is ok, I guess some are really more just thought-dumps, but if you wanted clarification on my point, you could just ask

And also I’m pretty sure I summarized it multiple times already

Okay fine, I am about to have short-circuit but can you please summarize it one more time?

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11 The interaction with Lemon/Chihiro/you/Ashlyn plays big part in this last-minute decision.

I reckon you don’t share the same view as I do, understandable. I did try to explain it several times, may still missing few gaps here and there.

[Zone_Q11]

Eh… To be honest, I haven’t even bothered processing your wallposts yet.
It… is just too damn long for my personal interest to read it.

[Zone_Q11]

I usually just ignore wallposts because most of them are usually BS. If you don’t believe me, then you can ask @Lemonfairy. The one time I took her wallpost seriously a couple years ago, I tore that shit down to the ground.

[Frostwolf103]

With Ashlyn dead, there remains Lemon, Chihiro and you.

Honestly speaking since I haven’t played lot of mountainous games, how common is D1 mafia bussing in this game type setup?

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

there remains Lemon, Chihiro and you.

For what? The biggest talkers?

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

I usually just ignore wallposts because most of them are usually BS.

Long process and you are on chopping block, sorry no time to read your scroll of ‘truth’.

This game is different and I am thankful that Day 1 isn’t full of hyperposting and provide some useful insight I can make counter argument to Zorvo, in that case it’s his potential scum buddies I rather execute first, unless someone have better argument what’s the follow-up after Zorvo, I did mine.

@Zone_Q11

For what? The biggest talkers?

It is the biggest interaction of D1 that seems like common topic to talk about.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

This game is different and I am thankful that Day 1 isn’t full of hyperposting and provide some useful insight I can make counter argument to Zorvo, in that case it’s his potential scum buddies I rather execute first, unless someone have better argument what’s the follow-up after Zorvo, I did mine.

@Frostwolf103

It is the biggest interaction of D1 that seems like common topic to talk about.

Huh. Interesting. I didn’t know many people were interested in my–
Wait a minute. Lemon, Chihiro, and Zone? That doesn’t sound enough.
What about Magnus and–
Oh, right. Mistyx died.
…so, what about Magnus?

@Frostwolf103

With Ashlyn dead, there remains Lemon, Chihiro and you.

Honestly speaking since I haven’t played lot of mountainous games, how common is D1 mafia bussing in this game type setup?

Not sure about how common bussing is. I don’t expect it to happen a lot.
–also, how is this of relevance to the thread in general?

@Lissi

Can you answer Zone’s earlier question about why you didn’t vote Ashlyn for self-pres until the very end?

…ah, right. Thank you for reminding me.
Hey Frost, you seem to have forgotten to answer this in one of your wallposts.

[Zone_Q11]

@Frostwolf103

This game is different and I am thankful that Day 1 isn’t full of hyperposting and provide some useful insight I can make counter argument to Zorvo, in that case it’s his potential scum buddies I rather execute first, unless someone have better argument what’s the follow-up after Zorvo, I did mine.

Whoops. Forgot to talk about this.
So, about Zorvo: Yeah, no. I ain’t going to bother checking him out Today.
Forget keeping my eyes on Ashlyn’s wagon; I have not even started evaluating the entirety of your wallposts yet.

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

Hey Frost, you seem to have forgotten to answer this in one of your wallposts.

I answered your question, this is why I pinged you.