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[Frostwolf103]

UNVOTE
VOTE: Zorvo

Thanks to you people, I have to correct my awful play.

@Lemonfairy

could you link your most recent town and scum game for me to just take a quick glance at? @Frostwolf103

Maybe there is Trials and Tribulations, Annual Mash? These games are top of my head

[Frostwolf103]

@Lissi

if Frost flips scum

You didnt consider what will happen if I flip town?

No because D2 is empty as fuck and doesn’t yield much valuable information than it was on D1 and left with two misexes before inevitable LyLo stages

I tried to explain it, everyone too focused on me which I get the opposite result what I am hoping for, focused on me yes but not what I hoped.

[Frostwolf103]

@Magnus

This kinda bothers me? It makes sense, sure, but whatever. I won’t think about it.

No that’s fine, one of my favorite towntells I am low hanging fruit and I am perfect for that kind of job

Mafia usually try to mislynch me later rather than sooner.

[Frostwolf103]

@Lissi

I think frost’s reponse is a bit weird here bc I’m pretty sure he tried to claim credit for it later, saying that this mistake was actually an RT and that it caught Zorvo

idk if you’ve gotten to that part though

Yes that is correct

[Frostwolf103]

@Gorta

why is your vote on me then?

Not anymore

[Magnus]

I was quietly hoping someone else would do it, but if you insist…

Gorta voted Ashlyn yesterday, right here.

@Gorta

VOTE: Ashlyn this is my vote for now

There weren’t really any responses to this vote at the time, outside these posts from Zone and yourself.

@Zone_Q11

@Gorta

VOTE: Ashlyn this is my vote for now

Gorta said Ashlyn is being too serious / performative.

@Frostwolf103

@Gorta

I feel like Ashlyn is being a bit too serious for a d1 play though

@Gorta

VOTE: Ashlyn this is my vote for now

noted

Ashlyn (3): Chihiro, Mistyx, Gorta
Frostwolf103 (2): Lemonfairy, Neon
Wazza (2): Ashlyn, Zone_Q11
Chihiro (1): Zorvo
Lissi (1): Wazza

Not Voting (4): ElizaThePsycho, Lissi, Magnus, Frostwolf103

It didn’t seem like anyone made a real attempt to engage with Gorta’s vote here. To check whether this pattern held up, I looked at Gorta’s other posts.

@Gorta

anything AI so far?

@Magnus

Everything is AI, unless it’s NAI.

Received a comedic response from me, nobody else responded to this.

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@Gorta

I wouldn’t put much faith into d1 reads either

@Neon

D1 reads are best reads.

Responded to by Neon, starts a bit of a discussion between a few of us.

@Gorta

there is little information in the first 100 posts lol

@Neon

I strongly disagree

@Frostwolf103

I strongly agree with this post.

@Magnus

D1 reads are pretty important. Evils are trying to find cracks in the Town, strong villagers assert themselves, everyone flocks to certain schools of thought… I agree with Neon.

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@Lemonfairy

give reads pls

@Gorta

N O

@Lemonfairy

</3

what about just 2 scumreads and 2 townreads?

@Gorta

I couldn’t provide any reads at this time because there is not much to base reads on

@Lemonfairy

there is enough
I know this because I have reads

Lemon is making an actual attempt to engage with Gorta. In other words, Lemon is not trying to sweep Gorta under the carpet.

@Gorta

@Mistyx

@Wazza @ElizaThePsycho @Gorta do none of you care about trying to clear yourselves today?

I know! I’ll just pull some reads out of my rear end

As shown here, neither was Mist.

@Neon

@Gorta

I’m not going to clear myself to a single player

The point is to clear yourself to the town…

That’s literally what town is supposed to do lol

Once again, neither is Neon.

@Gorta

that’s make or break on a wazza vote because I seem to remember Wazza not focusing much on d1 and if so it’s nothing out of the ordinary so far

@Mistyx

wazza has played d1 actively as scum but low efforts as town from what i recall

@Gorta

right, so based on this wazza shouldn’t be a wagon

@Lissi

isn’t that the opp of what Mistyx is saying?

@Gorta

anyone who is making wall posts on d1 is fake to me (especially when there is little content to read into)

@Lemonfairy

mind naming some names?

@Gorta

thing with frost is that there is mostly fluff in that ISO

@Frostwolf103

Then you’re not paying any attention, but that’s my take of your read.

In conclusion: Gorta isn’t being ignored, isn’t being hidden out of sight, but is being interacted with. You might call that NAI, but I feel like Gorta didn’t engage in wolf theatre with their partners in the last couple games, nor would most evils want to engage in wolf theatre with Gorta. I think that’s a gamestate observation.

Gorta wasn’t being actively pushed on the first day, either. I’m not sure what that means, exactly, since they’re usually pushed on the first day… but any of the active evils I’d expect to shield Gorta were engaging in a way I’d call unaligned, with the possible exception of Zorvo.

@Zorvo

Yeah Gorta is probably town.
They are responding to Lemon here genuinely.

They are content on the fact there is not much content to go off of.
I find that a good look for Gorta.

Zorvo never really interacted with Gorta directly, outside the whole PFP thing, which I think is NAI. This would be a strangely proactive defence if they were W/W, though? I don’t know if either Zorvo or Gorta have the credibility to survive this game if they were seen as aligned and either flipped wolf.

So in short, Gorta is probably Town. Perhaps I’m biased, because that was already my read.

[Frostwolf103]

@Zorvo

Honestly the only things I remember from today was Frost calling me wolves with Gorta, someone else calling me a wolf with Frost and Magnus saying stuff and me talking with them. Wazza also had some involvement in that.

Good because I am now voting you to pressure

Who is your town reads
Your scumreads
Can you explain these reads
Have anyone read you positively and negatively, does that help you read them in return? Bit too good to be true or feel threatened?

[Magnus]

@Frostwolf103

Have anyone read you positively and negatively, does that help you read them in return? Bit too good to be true or feel threatened?

This actually bothers me about some players. Some people tend to townread the people townreading them, and scumread the people scumreading them, whether or not it’s actually deserved.

[Frostwolf103]

@Magnus

I was quietly hoping someone else would do it, but if you insist…

I am reading this through whole post, some points you made I already point it out in my own wallposts. As well think the same on several points however that is why I am pushing Gorta to keep D2 interaction going active

And this is the thanks I get.

[Frostwolf103]

The interaction is bare bones and no nerve, mass, blood or flesh.

And Day 2 is all about “lol frost is bad, lynch lynch”

[Neon]

@Frostwolf103

Thanks to you people, I have to correct my awful play.

Lol.

VOTE: Frost

Thanks for making the choice easy

[Frostwolf103]

@Magnus

This actually bothers me about some players. Some people tend to townread the people townreading them, and scumread the people scumreading them, whether or not it’s actually deserved.

Day 2 does look like nothing is going on and this will carry towards day 3 too

[Frostwolf103]

@Neon

Lol.

VOTE: Frost

Thanks for making the choice easy

Whatever, either you do actual content on day 2 and vote something sensible or stay parked.

I have no time in your reaction test bullshit

[Neon]

Remember my friends. AtE is used by woofs to remove pressure from themself by making you doubt yourself and your reads.

AtE should always be killed. Town who AtE are acting wolfy and people who act wolfy should be killed until they learn to be towny.

Thanks for coming to my TedTalk my name is Neon and I’m here to remove AtE from mafia through any means necessary

but also fill disclosure towny AtE is different from scummy AtE and this is not that

[Frostwolf103]

Neon, I am already pissed the way Day 2 is going

[Neon]

Also I AtE and should be killed when i do it

[Frostwolf103]

Maybe I shall do that
VOTE: Neon

[Neon]

@Frostwolf103

Neon, I am already pissed the way Day 2 is going

Youve said this yes. But why? Why did you come in now and AtE? What changed between now and last night when you were on?

[Neon]

@Frostwolf103

Maybe I shall do that
VOTE: Neon

[Frostwolf103]

Are you fucking kidding me?