Helluva Boss Mafia - Mafia Victory

[Gorta]

Now, to continue it seems like frost is panicking from my point of view. It’s quite clear frost has a sr on Zorvo, but instead votes me (despite the fact that frost compares everyones interactions with Zorvo). Frost is more willing to vote me because I MIGHT be paired with a wolf Zorvo, but we don’t even know if Zorvo is a wolf. How would Frost’s read on me change if Zorvo wasn’t a wolf (just a thought process)? To conclude: I think Frost is way too focused on me and I can’t say about Zorvo, but yesterday Frost voted someone with little reason and today is voting someone else over said top sr. I wish I had voted frost yesterday, but we can’t change the past like that

[Gorta]

Now, I’m more than willing to check past games to see if I can spot a pattern in playstyles and that’s likely what I’ll do tomorrow (I have the next week or so off), so we’ll see what happens then

[Gorta]

for now my vote in on Frost in spirit

[Neon]

@Lemonfairy

why would Wazza not vote Ashlyn and/or someone else who was way more likely to go over?

Because Ashlyn had 7 votes iirc and Frost had 3.

Like in this world there’s no risk so a wolf should always be off wagon somewhere.

[Neon]

@ElizaThePsycho

hi i just got quoted and so i exist now

[Neon]

@Wazza

Eliza hasn’t provided much more than what you’d expect from her,

Sometimes it feels like I’m the only one who doesn’t feel this way. Cause like…I expect a lot from Eliza lol.

[Neon]

@Zorvo

Honestly the only things I remember from today was Frost calling me wolves with Gorta, someone else calling me a wolf with Frost and Magnus saying stuff and me talking with them. Wazza also had some involvement in that.

I’m hurt that you don’t remember me. Officially scum.

[Zorvo]

Well I left you out of that but I brought up I remembered you in another post basically so.

[Zorvo]

@Zorvo

I know Mist died and was sus of Neon but I think Neon being sus of me might be a good look for them?
I don’t think I have town told yet but plan to hopefully make it more obvious I’m town later on.

Here.

[Neon]

Here sits Neon. Fighting her strong desire to put Frost maj-2

[Neon]

Here sits Neon remembering something someone said to her and now thinking

“Fuck…frost maybe isn’t actually wolf”

screams into the void

Okay peoples who’ve played with Frost more than me. I was told elsewhere Frost has a volume tell. Is this true?

[Magnus]

@Neon

Okay so at least 1 in Chihiro/Gorta/Lissi/Eliza/Zone/Frost

I still think there’s now exactly 1 in Frost/Eliza but this read has substantially weakened

Zorvo/Frost is a difference check

Regardless of Frosts alignment I’d say at least 1 in Lemon/Magnus/Myself/ Zorvo/Wazza probably exactly 1 so two in the top list

Fuck. Today should probably just be blindly yeeting Frost because they fit in most worlds and give tons of info.

This is difficult to say… but I agree with this sentiment. I’ve already subconsciously accepted a Frost execution today and zoned out, instead of engaging with the people on the block and the people around me. I pushed for a Frost wagon EOD1, and now that it looks like it’s happening… I dunno, I expected more resistance. I’m used to a certain resistance, a tension in the air, when a wolf’s on the block. It was there yesterday, but I’m not getting it here.

Maybe I’ll see about CFD’ing someone and getting everyone to hate me, I dunno. I think Gorta, Lissi, Lemon and Zone are Town; I don’t have a tangible opinion on Eliza, but I think Frost is suspicious. I want to keep an eye on Zorvo, and I know an eye should be kept on Wazza but that’s my head talking, I’m not feeling it.

@Neon

If Frost flips woof I probably always just blind yeet Wazza the next day also…

I would disagree with the premise of blindly executing anyone, but I can see why you’d plan on that.

@Lissi

@Neon

It could be because nobody is close and misty was a town leader. Idk if that’s true.

I was thinking about this part earlier, but I don’t think it’s true. For me personally, I think I would have said for towniness, Lemon and Magnus were the most towny (tho ig it might be reasonable for wolves to have tried dodging a doc heal on those 2 after the NK convo yesterday), and then maybe Zone was the next most, and then maybe Mistyx (which imo had less of an impression on me)…

IDK I don’t think she was ultra towny/a town lead, but when I caught up last night, I did think she was a townlean towards the end.

Magnus and Chihiro both say she had a lot of influence but idk, and I would say Zone (and maybe Lemon?) at least might think that’s prob not it either?

We could look into the Mist nightkill and hope Mafia didn’t WIFOM or anything, if you’d like?

@Lissi

So anyways, the more I reread Mistyx’s ISO, the more I feel it’s pointless to think in the direction of, who would think she’s towniest.

Looks like you already tried that, though.

@Lissi

I did read Frostwolf’s ISO, and Neon’s, and compare my readlist with Mistyx’s, though.

I don’t want to theorize on wagonomics right now because it’s not really my forte, and since Zone has already written a nice and complete analysis, I’ll just vote Frostwolf and solve and talk slowly later.

Reading through his ISO doesn’t really make me feel he’s towny, anyways. Esp the sneaky scumreads, kinda wish I had found the time to read it earlier.

VOTE: Frostwolf

@Neon

VOTE: Zorvo

This is a pressure view because I’m getting pinged but I’m spiritually on Frost right now

I still believe Town is primarily in control of the thread, although we’ll see what happens tonight.

@Lissi

@Wazza

you didn’t make any sort of attempt to make reads from what you were answered with or anything, it was like you were just trying to trip people up for a chance to capitalise.

I think you should check my iso again, because this is blatantly untrue. Often, some of my questions clarifying a misunderstanding that leads to me feeling the person is townier.

I don’t think Wazza followed up on this.

@Frostwolf103

Personally, I will go with Gorta on this one

VOTE: Gorta

Should anyone have questions I can answer about this vote, do please read back on my D2 Wallpost.

This hasn’t influenced my read on either of your slots, and that’s concerning.

@Lemonfairy

my vote is still on Frost in spirit

That’s it. Everyone’s settled on Frost… if he’s Mafia, that probably means his death’s been accepted? I could look at which players haven’t really commented on his wagon, not really engaging instead of bussing or protecting him? Would anyone else do that?

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@Wazza

@Lissi

1. what’s your read on Magnus?

Probably not town, I did say I think he has TMI and that hasn’t changed

Was this expanded upon?
“I can see the things you’re doing, and you think that I’m naive.”

@Neon

See the problem here is your asking me to keep you alive and kill Gorta and than kill you if Gorta is town.

But this benefits me none. Because if Gorta is town and you are wolf I’ve traded another town for your life.

So really your asking me to choose you or Gorta. Because if I kill Gorta over you I have to do that with the understanding that I just think you are town.

Like the only way I don’t exe you today is that I think you’re towny enough to never execute and I don’t think that’s true.

Killing Gorta always feels like a coinflip. I think it’d be best to look at the gamestate, whether people are talking about Gorta more or less than would be expected, yada yada.

@Wazza

Gorta
Zone
Zorvo

Lemonfairy
Chihiro
Neon
Eliza
Frost

Magnus
Lissi

@Wazza

Frost is legit lower just because other people suspect him so I’ve slapped him lower down.

This kinda bothers me? It makes sense, sure, but whatever. I won’t think about it.

@Zorvo

@Lemonfairy

@Zorvo could you chime in on Magnus and lmk where they are in terms of your reads?

Same place they were at the start of the day.

Talk to me when you have a chance.

@Zorvo

@Lemonfairy

do you think Frost pushing Gorta makes Gorta more likely town?

I think Gorta is an easy voting target.
If he’s mafia or if he is town he usually gets executed.

Yep, same as I thought.

@Wazza

I could push on Magnus to try and kill him based on what I think, or I could put pressure on you to react to my push a lot more and give me answers that I want, which one is more worth doing? Although at the moment, yes, my vote stays on you, even to kill.

I think I’m more motivated when I’m forced to explain myself, or interact with others. Or at the very least, I’m less bored. Bored all the time. Go ahead and wolfcase me, ISO me from the start or something, I’d rather be scrutinised because going under the radar isn’t fun.

@ElizaThePsycho

I am slowly getting more and more bad at mafia

Don’t worry about it.

@Lissi

also @Wazza you don’t have to reply to all that, since well, like Lemon said, asking questions is really NAI for me but if you are genuinely trying to read me, then hopefully me writing out my thought process will be useful going forward, and if you meant something else entirely with phrases like “doing stuff,” then you can just lmk and I’ll read that tomorrow

I’m loving hearing Lissi speak.

@Gorta

for now my vote in on Frost in spirit

Gorta is never wrong.

@Neon

Here sits Neon remembering something someone said to her and now thinking

“Fuck…frost maybe isn’t actually wolf”

screams into the void

Okay peoples who’ve played with Frost more than me. I was told elsewhere Frost has a volume tell. Is this true?

Alright, so Wind told me in AI Upick that Frost had a volume tell. A joke was even made about his name, “frost wolf”, as in “frozen wolf”. Of course, in AI Upick Frost was an active serial killer, but he was making bad faith pushes. In the game that just ended, Nightmare Woods, Frost slanked the entire first day, but was then replaced, presumably for real-world busyness. Wind also mentioned a game in which Frost slanked as Town, and she was immediately suspected upon replacing in. I can’t actually confirm how accurate the volume read is, but I’m echoing what I’ve heard.

In short: the volume tell is apparently real.

[Magnus]

Can everyone share with me your most controversial game-related take?

[Neon]

Fuck.

[Frostwolf103]

Everyone is talking shit about me, great

[Frostwolf103]

Nice going you guys.

[Frostwolf103]

@Magnus

Killing Gorta always feels like a coinflip. I think it’d be best to look at the gamestate, whether people are talking about Gorta more or less than would be expected, yada yada.

Well have you done it now when you made the post?

[Frostwolf103]

Because I am now little more angry than usual you say these stuff

And do nothing.

[Frostwolf103]

@Magnus

We could look into the Mist nightkill and hope Mafia didn’t WIFOM or anything, if you’d like?

I have tried to explain it before on D2 regarding this

And you fucking screw my read over is exactly why I am losing faith in you

[Frostwolf103]

@Gorta

but we don’t even know if Zorvo is a wolf.

Who is ‘we’?
Oh that’s right, you.

Get real, you and Zorvo are partnered but you two aren’t pressured so thats what I am doing