kat was right about wind, i was wrong about wind
orange was right about melody, you were wrong about melody
we were both wrong about litten
wow
how different wtf
yes im being a butt about this but you have legitimately been as wrong as we have lmfao
and i donât know if youâre a villager so the â4 villagersâ thing doesnât hold weight fmpov
and im being generous because i never truly scumread melody
We are not aspiring to be the leaders.
At least I am not.
And as per our pre-game discussion, Dum wants mostly to handle macro game size reads (as youâve seen), which both usually need time to⌠create macro scale to begin with, as well as are situation dependant.
Asking to do specific reads doesnât really work here.
Paradoxally, exactly due to our non-aspiration to lead this town is why you should listen when we call lack of depth on reads. And I do this both day 1 and day 2.
Dum also had some macro stuff, but those were bit more directly involved into discussion, so they should be taken with bit more doubt.
Either way - Iâm NOT going to tell you who to lynch.
As some people know, I donât believe in american styled mafia that everyone has to shout over each other to get own opinion through.
Sometimes having neutral bastion to get to for reality check i better.
In this case it should be your hydramate.
But again, it seems most of you didnât divide tasks between hydra heads. Didnât discuss roles or aproach pre-game. And are definetly not trying to actively doubt each otehrs reads in order to make sure they are not missing some important bits.
Instead of that I see a lot of âMy hydra partner thinks that, but I think that.â
If you have two different opinions and you are not trying to discuss it between each other to find which one is correct, whatâs the point of hydra?
Or even worse - âWe agree that X is scum/townâ. If you are having 2 people false-assuing each other, whatâs the point of hydra?
Hydra is a reality check. Discussion.
All reads need to be discussed. All unpleasant questions asked. Just to make a read is foolproof.
Only then it really make sense to present it.
In our case, Dum is going to handle reads. Iâm here to doubt him, but also motivate him.
As well as handle⌠other thread-specific stuff.
Ergo - zero reads from eevee.
Counter counter point. Iâm town. That was a good and much needed break too. I feel a lot better now. 
WHATS AMERICAN STYLED MAFIA
kat had the correct read on Wind but made no effort to save her and willingly went along with killing her (your slot was voting her at EoD)
Ruby was floating around my PoE but when orange told me that he was vetoing a Ruby exe I was willing to trust his judgment and (unlike kat) he was trying more or less as hard as he could to save her
youâre drawing a false equivalence
like if kat had been like âWindâs a villager, I donât care what Chloe says, get the fuck off herâ I would have fewer concerns about your hydra 
her having the correct read but letting you kill Wind anyway is arguably more concerning than you guys just being wrong because, like, âbeing wrong on Windâ is a thing that villagers can reasonably do, âthinking Wind-in-particular is a villager but not doing anything about it except vaguely making fun of people and still voting her at EoDâ makes much less sense from a village motivation
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i mean tbh ive made it p clear to chloe that⌠actually, i guess i could just steal eevees wording
replace Dum with Chloe (and him with her if you wanna be nice) and honestly its kinda our dynamic?
obviously⌠i think chloe is better than me at making reads and villaging, but our hydra is like 80% chloe 20% katze (prob even more one sided) whereas yours is presumably closer to 50/50
so i kinda agree that sheâs drawing a false equivalence in this specific scenario but also shes neglecting to mention the part where im not doing anything half the game
me not trying to save wind is mostly a result of a not super high confidence read and also⌠im not really planning to call too many shots lol
if i had her at locktown id have told chloe to sit down and let the big katze lead but it was like, >rand v at most
(tbh though i do regret not asking more about why LBW survived D1)
-kat
Oh right, and about that part.
Yes, I was aware Litten was a vig.
For example stuff like this:
Itâs answer to FK.
Not only it says to kill eevee if vig dies, but also the whole post is omitting âidrc slot is a vigâ.
I even had to explain to Dum why am I signaling âwe are not the vigâ to someone when we were supposed to seem like a vig.
And honestly it was bad communication level. Could probably do it bit cleaner.
The being said, Litten went even less cleaner with this âperfect planâ to begin with.
Or them not accepting exchange offer. Altho they would be dead on n2 then. Meh.
have you met me
like, im not even gonna say âyou know i can do better as a wolfâ, because we both know thats true
but i dont think you can tell me with a straight face that this isnt in my unengaged villager range
-k
I think itâs in your unengaged villager range for âsome random LHF you donât care about or really see as valuableâ but Wind is Wind
Just got home.
Will not have time to back read today. If you need me for something @ me
-Dum
every slot in this game is insignificant compared to my own, so
shitposts aside i donât⌠really care who composes a slot in that situation, my teammate was tunneled and i wasnât going to tell them to full stop with my confidence/engagement, end of story
(also, again, i was pretty unaware at how much heat dispersed from LBW)
-k
eevee u are like a living labyrinth
trochi tired
Hereâs my case bbn on Kiiruma.
Why the hyper focusing on me? Even if heâs certain Iâm a wolf, he hasnât even been trying to figure out who he thinks my partner is and he has no congingency plans for if I flip villager.
Also, even he knows that going for a mislynch here is always afer and better than going for a 1 for 1 so why is he so certain that Iâm trying to go for a 1 for 1? Which isnât something I can ever see me doing as a wolf.
Thatâs literally his only stated view and it feels like heâs trying to set up a misexe on me then plans on getting a villager to vote for another villager in lylo.
It may not look like it, but everything Iâve done has been town motivated which is something Kiiruma isnât willing to even accept as being possible even though weâll be in lylo if I get executed and that singlemindedness scares me. Ijust canât see it coming from a villager because villagers should be doublechecking to make sure their reads are correct right now, not in a literal deathtunnel on someone and refusing to see the possibility that theyâre deathtunneled on a villager.
The thing you consider âmafiaâ in general.
Aka. everyone expresses reads and whover shouts the loudest gets theirs lynch through.
Paradoxaly what live mafias as well as russian forums gravitate towards is having 2-3 people expressing who is suspected and rest centering around the, trying to find which of them is trustworthy, who to follow.
Questioning theirs reads. Making sure they are coherent.
Also - in very advanced games - selecting corret leader for current game day. Like person able to perform psychoanalysis on day 1, while macro players only starting day 3+.
After all itâs easier to townread someone in the end, so finding someone trustworthy is just easier. And gathers townies on a single wagons.
And wagons themself are more coherent due to multiple people questioning it and trying to ârefine and polishâ it.
Basicly completely different aproach.
No offense, but âeveryone has right to express opinionâ american mindset is lowering amount of it complexity. Cause everyone has pride to express it and try to be correct. While itâs not really necessary. And usually leads to games being more shallow in the end.
ok lets select our leader for the day
okay eevee good luck picking the yeet target for today :)
-k
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:^)
Damn you Katze.
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who wants to play russian mafia cause i sure do
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