Hydra-Optional Vig10er - Day 4 - Town Wins

[idrc]

@FPSers

Continuation of 4, they’re essentially trying to mess with us/cat because they know they can’t go with both of us to F3, and Leafia is really the only slot that they can get to believe them
So
Optimal play would be for them to get one of us/cat killed and then kill bird, and then utilize the lbw slot to ml the other of us/cat
That would essentially be the only way to win in this scenario for them

Or just like… kill you / cat?
This is one big overcomplicated plan.

You are doing same thing as Chloe did before right now.
Instead of using arguments to see if we are scum, you are creating the logic which support the thesis AFTER deciding we are scum.

When I pointed out that this kill and going after you afterwards makes no sense from scum!us PoV, you try to justify it by bringing up that it not making sense was exactly planned.

Well, don’t take it personally, it’s just that I see you fall again into logical fallacy where you just try to make your world have sense, instead of trying to step back, look from the distance and check if it really does.

That’s also exactly same thing @LeafiabutWorse was doing last game.

[LeafiabutWorse]

btw im here and checking thread a bit during class if anyone has any questions for me

@idrc

That’s also exactly same thing @LeafiabutWorse was doing last game.

also wdym by this

[TheBirdsAndABee]

yeah
u have one post to prove that you’re town
do it make it as towny as possible
go

[LeafiabutWorse]

alright ill post my rolecard

[LeafiabutWorse]

for legal reasons this is a joke

[TheBirdsAndABee]

good post

[idrc]

@LeafiabutWorse

also wdym by this

As in going from vision to arguments, instead of from arguments to vision.

[LeafiabutWorse]

I’d like this post and the one above it if I.could. Giggles

[LeafiabutWorse]

[LeafiabutWorse]

@idrc

As in going from vision to arguments, instead of from arguments to vision.

yea i kinda gathered that much, i mean like
u pinged the hydra account
so do u mean me or leafia

[LeafiabutWorse]

I think they mean me.

[cat]

hes a phantom

[LeafiabutWorse]

Who is?

[cat]

danny phantom

[LeafiabutWorse]

True. I like that cartoon.

[cat]

lin/brad i forwarded your responses to kat

not ignoring

just want her to read first before i give my thoughts since shes who asked for 'em

[TheBirdsAndABee]

i let soren do the heavy lifting so i can vibe
however
there is somebody im not vibing with
hmmmmmmmm

[TheBirdsAndABee]

is anyone here to also vibe

[cat]

went through TSP iso with my sis last night - focused on d1

we both think the following is a good look for Bird:

Biiiiird stufffff

@TeamSlightlyPolish

waitwaitwait does Soren have reads that he’s managing to communicate clearly enough that you know what they are

or is that not what this is implying

@TeamSlightlyPolish

actually don’t answer that it’s sort of lowkey trying to use your disorder to make you more readable which is a kind of shitty thing to do

@TeamSlightlyPolish

confidence in Trochi v rising

the dude is obviously super excited to use the tells I pointed out to him

@TeamSlightlyPolish

ye

like after ROR I was like ‘here is a tell’ and then Leafia makes that post and I click back and I’m like ‘oh my god she did that one tell I was telling Trochi about’ and then you were like ‘SHE DID THE TELL’ and I was like

‘yeah’

‘this dude just wants to Find Wolves’

idk if I’m explaining that well

At this point in the game Arete was suspected by a lot of ppl (my slot, EG, FPS, Bird(?)) - but people were mostly focused elsewhere
Their goal around this time would be to Get Out Of The Hole
These posts read to us like they were trying to spew out “villagery thoughts” and pocket a villager, or at least get on their good side
We do think Arete was trying to egg trochi on to continue pushing Leafia, but I’m not… super sure what it means for Leafia’s alignment? If I had a bun to my head I’d say their treatment of Bird & LBW feels like taking advantage of a villager pushing another LHF villager - but that’s gut-based and we’re past gut-based reads by now

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We (kat) think this is unaligned
Kindaa leaves room to back out of it:

@TeamSlightlyPolish

also I scrolled up earlier to the top of the page and saw that Brad/Aelin was the top poster and both of them suck at wolf and never have WiM as scum so I’m leaning town there but I didn’t want to say that because I felt like ‘Brad/Aelin is town for topposting when the game has less than 300 posts’ is the sort of read where I would see the post in postgame after that slot flipped scum and be like ‘wow I’m such a dumbass’

Which, they did on d2:

@TeamSlightlyPolish

Anyways

The biggest hurdle for me personally is that I am a ways out from my earlier reads that had FPSers highly towny but I honestly don’t remember why all of that was and therefore how much should still apply

This feels like a FPS → cat miselim chain:

@TeamSlightlyPolish

So we’re basically in agreement that our not-small-enough PoE is idrc/LBW/FPSers/cat in which no more than one scum exists within FPSers/cat. We think this lines up pretty well with how the first half of the day has been progressing (ie, it hasn’t really been tbqh) and definitely has us worried given we have come to be in agreement with Fire that there is a very solid chance of hell being let loose today given the flips, and yet this hasn’t occurred.

Also we straight up don’t think this is how they bus. Their push on FPS on d2 picked up steam when I was in the thread and felt near-identical, in terms of manipulating me, to their Litten & Wind pushes on d1. Orange knows how to take advantage of my flip-floppiness (and how prone I am to pocketing) to use me to push agenda for him, and this felt just like that

ayaya

@TeamSlightlyPolish

On that note is she around

@TeamSlightlyPolish

@cat

anyway chloe wanted me to voice a idrc/FPSers team in thread

Taking that as a yes

Tell her to voice it herself please

@TeamSlightlyPolish

Okay well I’m not planning to be up too much longer but while we’re both here I do have to ask if you’ve ever played with Brad in particular and your thoughts on him

Because all my brad stuff is secondhand

@TeamSlightlyPolish

@cat

The only thing I really know about his towngame is that he’s very very defensive of his townreads - but this is kinda also secondhand from katto

Has that happened, like, at all this game, outside of exactly wind (who he has admitted to lurking through being attacked lol)

@TeamSlightlyPolish

@cat

This being said kat and I thought his defense of Wind and subsequent “you know what you did” towards us shit felt villagery???

We didn’t like the fact that it was specifically used to set up you and us as v/w but didn’t seem to include any real effort to figure out which was the v and which was the w

Do you agree or disagree with that take

@TeamSlightlyPolish

The specific “you know what you did” thing cat was referencing is before that but the setup of us as a strict dichotomy is there on

@TeamSlightlyPolish

look at aelin’s wall of quotes and see if you parse anything from it because I am not

It also felt like their way of eliminating a villager outside of the kiiru/leafia and cat/tsp “domes” and threadstate again the next Day

Note that this is only quotes from tsp’s side of the conflict. As for fps, we also don’t think they (and especially Brad) treat a partner like that and push them for… the entirety of Day 2, when they really don’t need to lol

So, yeah

-chleb

[cat]

sup nerd

-c