Hydra Popcorn - Cat Flavor: Day 5 (6/11) - Mafia Win

[SeaOfStars]

I sleep

[HoodHeroes]

@Zwelious

The problem is that it is not a worry that is reasonable if HH was not Town reading Cheese.
The way it was worded makes it seem like they don’t think Cheese will flip Mafia, but didn’t want to town read them.

That to me seems way more likely that HH is Mafia worried that if Cheese who they know is Town gets shot that Cheese will guarantee kill a Mafia, HH.
From a Town HH PoV the fear that Cheese will flip Town doesn’t seem worrysome since even if we assume HH was right that Cheese would instantly shoot HH, HH would have control over the shot and not die. So unless Town HH has anxiety about leading the Town, I don’t see the justification for the fear. At least not moreso than Mafia worrying they’d be shot.

Word salad, I haven’t changed my mind on you and you’re still scum

I literally vetoed a shot on the cheese slot earlier so that should be enough to give you an idea of what I think of them

On the other hand I think it’s interesting you’re just omgusing me at this point for scumreading you. I don’t think you’d care as much as a villager because you would know you get the gun and can possibly shoot me, and judging by our previous discussion you saw nothing wrong with the idea of cheese being a villager, getting the gun, and shooting me from the perspective that I’m a villager, so wouldn’t this be the same thing? If anything, I should be afraid of giving you the gun if I’m a wolf and you’re town. But I’m not, because I’m town and I think you’re afraid of actually dying.

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

@Zwelious

Eh, I don’t see it as a big issue. Even if we assumed Cheese and HH both are Town we lose 2 Town and the game isn’t over yet. It’s 5v4. The onyl time I think you fear being shot as Town is if it is MYLO

Yes it is, we only have 3 misfires if we never hit a wolf and then they reach parity. That’s why I was checking that earlier and you even commented on my post about this. Assuming the first shot is a miss and the second shot is a miss, one more miss and it’s game over which is not good for us.

Why are you not concerned? Do you want the game to end that early?

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

@bingusbongusbangus

this checks out with them being more concerned with kiiruma’s solving being mechanically based than with cheese’s solving being nothing more than a wet fart in the wind

they’re working off a checklist

“Someone discussing mech too much? Wolfy”

“Someone defending a partner in a roundabout way? Wolf too scared to defend their partner”

again I could be missing the mark massively here so I’d like to hear what you think

The problem I have with this is that I find their waffly posts on me to look like a wolf agenda checklist

Like I think they’re textbook wolfy and also trying to work off a “how to look like town” checklist but I’m just not buying it

It doesn’t matter what I think since I’m not the one with the gun, but I would definitely not clear this slot from anything they have said because, again, I think they’ve overexplained quite a few things and also been changing their explanations along the way.

Also idk if you ever read the post they made that I asked for opinions on but I still think the fact they deny it was TMI and that I’m actually a null read is pretty telling.

I might as well read other slots for the rest of the day since I’m not budging on this one but apparently you’re not shooting them, but I don’t think they’re town.

-ww

[omgweneedanaccount]

Kind of agreeing with Windward here.

• Brad

[omgweneedanaccount]

My only concern right now is that Seth is literally just tanking the game so he can get the gun and shoot who he feels like shooting, which is going to be utter shit for the game state if both him and his target are misses.
That’s like, the only scenario I can see him being town. He’s looked awful.

• Brad

[HoodHeroes]

@bingusbongusbangus

cheese/kiiruma/wind are my guesses

Why tf do you think I’m scum lol

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

Tbh I don’t particularly trust town!Seth with a gun and I definitely don’t trust LP because the gun will almost definitely end up in my hands if so and then Wazza and I have to shoot correctly or we lose the game which is lots of responsibility and not a ton of fun lol
On the other hand, not wanting to shoot scummy players just because you’re afraid they’re town is literally a fast track to town losing in this setup, so I’m not afraid to shoot people I think are scum. Wolves can use their reputation to play around with evading a shot and tunnel the shit out of an obvtown with terrible reasoning for the sole purpose of convincing the gun holder not to pass them the gun if they’re town, and I think it’s a huge vulnerability in people’s reads that they need to consider.

Anyway I gotta get ready for work so I’ll stop backreading for now, but I’ll stick around for a bit to talk

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

@Zwelious

Are you wolf reading them because they are doing something that isn’t like their town game or are you wolf reading them based on actions when they are a known Willager as town?
@GoldAndCrystal

I swear this sounds like a subtle defense
I know I said this in exactly the same situation when I thought Seth was defending Jake in Railgun but I thought they were w/w (Seth was wolf and Jake was town)
Getting the exact same vibes here, like why constantly bring up Jake being a willager unless you either townread them or know they’re town? Maybe being wolfy is NAI but it’s not like being a willager excludes the possibility of Jake being wolfy as an actual wolf.
Disclaimer: I haven’t read much from the slot end have no read on them but just wanted to make a comment on this particular post because it is identical to what Seth said in the last game and then jumped on me for pushing him when he actually was a wolf.
-ww

[HoodHeroes]

@theThethe

@Zwelious

LHF

At least you didn’t call me a willager (gross) this time. Good job.

JW

Lol

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

Ok now I’m actually pausing on the backreading
I just wanted to see if BBB gave a reason why they think I’m a wolf or if it’s just by anti-association since they think Zwelious is a villager for whatever reason but I didn’t see it so I’ll look later or ask them again when they’re back

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

Didn’t mean to make it sound like I’m dismissing their reason for thinking Z is town btw
I just don’t agree with it, as stated earlier

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

I think I like Cape’s posting from what I’ve seen post-Zwelious discussion (I didn’t read anything much from them before that, except for the derp thing and what was quoted or mentioned)
But i do have a bit of paranoia that they’d just use the Zwelious situation to pocket me and even hard distance if the two are w/w, since Z had a kind of lacklustre read on cheese and most of what I saw was insisting that i was TMI’ing cheese town as a counteraccusation to Z TMI’ing me town
I’ll look at the cheese iso later and see if I can get a clearer overview of their stances and how they’ve been presenting their reads and see what I think

-ww

[omgweneedanaccount]

Jesus christ when you put it that way it’s a literal explanation of Seth’s mafia game from what I’ve seen a few times.

• Brad

[HoodHeroes]

I kinda like the Brad/Illwei slot and also SoS but I also think maybe I’m not being cautious enough in general on handing out townleans since there are so many wolves in this game
If my reads are correct then I’ve almost locked the scum team despite not really reading half the slots, and that’s probably not the way to win this, so I need to just step back and gain more perspective before shitting out solid takes. I’m just going off impressions and the only read I’m settled on is Z wolf so far. I’m not backing off it this time because I made the mistake of doubting my read on w!Seth in Railgun and then he endgamed. We aren’t having a repeat of that.

-ww

[omgweneedanaccount]

@HoodHeroes

Wolves can use their reputation to play around with evading a shot and tunnel the shit out of an obvtown with terrible reasoning

I’m talking about this portion, FYI. Granted it might not be “obvious town” I’m thinking more he tunnels the strongest town slot.

• Brad

[HoodHeroes]

@omgweneedanaccount

Jesus christ when you put it that way it’s a literal explanation of Seth’s mafia game from what I’ve seen a few times.

• Brad

Yeah that’s part of the reason I think the slot should be shot
Also, I know I said I don’t trust town!Seth to have correct reads but sometimes he is correct
I’d rather trust my read that the slot is scum and then hope that if they’re town they’ll shoot scum, than decide it’s too risky to give them the gun and they just never fucking die and endgame as wolf.

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

@omgweneedanaccount

I’m talking about this portion, FYI. Granted it might not be “obvious town” I’m thinking more he tunnels the strongest town slot.

• Brad

Well LP is tunnelling me and all Seth said is that he agrees with LP on whatever LP said

Which is literally what I accused them of doing. I said it seems like LP is the ringleader and Seth is just going along with whatever they say, and I don’t think I expect that from a town hydra. I’m pretty sure it’s a wolf hydra coordinating on their agenda pushes, and they also know I’m right so they’re floundering by OMGUSing me instead of accepting the scumread.

Wolves don’t want to die. Town knows they get the gun. So if they’re worried I’m scum, they know if they get shot as town they get the gun and can shoot me in turn. But I don’t see that AT ALL reflected in their logic which is extremely concerning.

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

And I’m not saying I have something against being passed the gun, either
This goes back to my earlier statement that if the gun ends up in my hands it obviously means a townie died passing it to me and I think that’s bad because we don’t want town to die
I don’t care what gghana’s reputation is for reads, I am sure I know why he was given the gun, but I’d rather he keep the gun for the entire game and shoot wolves than die shooting the wrong slot.

-ww

[HoodHeroes]

Also I’m wary of slots defending Zwelious

Obviously not BBB since they’re vig, but SoS agreed with their reasoning that Z is town

And I do think wolves will go for shielding each other in this setup, so if the IC slot happens to townread a wolf it’s a great excuse for them to do the same and “sheep” the read

Im aware I just said I like the SoS slot but this was a caveat I had when reading through

-ww