Ice Cream Mafia - Night 1 (13/14)

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Ice Cream Mafia

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Hosted by @Zugzwang
Co-hosted by @Geyde
Reviewed by @Geyde
Hosted on @Zwischenzug

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Rules:

1. Follow the Forum Game Rules.
2. Post a minimum of 10 game related posts per active phase.
3. Fail to heed the former rules twice or more, and you will be subbed out or modkilled.
4. I can and might have to add and/or remove rules in the future. Except the first rule.
   Let’s just hope that I won’t have to use this rule.

General Mechanics

• This is an open setup: There is 1 Town Neapolitan Taste Tester, 10 Town Ice Cream, and 3 Mafia Ice Cream.
• Factional attacks are mandatory and not assigned, and can be used on ANY player.
  • Mafia have access to a 1-shot factional strongman attack.
  • The factional kill is strongman following a no-execution. This will not consume the Mafia’s 1-shot strongman. The mafia do not have a choice in this.
• Day Phases last 48 hours. Night Phases last 24 hours.
• All actions must be submitted in your role cards / role PMs.
• Actions lock 1 hour before phase change.
• Mafia members may communicate with each other through Discord during both phases.
• Multitasking, i.e. using multiple abilities on the same phase, is allowed.
• The host will announce when XYLO occurs.

Anti-Claim Mechanic: 1-Shot 'Vanilla’izer

• Once per game, the mafia may choose a player. If they are the [Town] Neapolitan Taste Tester, they become a [Town] Ice Cream.
• The mafia are not informed of whether they chose the [Town] Neapolitan Taste Tester.
• Both the original and updated roles will be mentioned in the flip.

Order of Operations

• (Start)
• Town Ice Cream - (Flavor changes and protection)
• 'Vanilla’izer
• Town Neapolitan Taste Tester
• Nightkill
• (End)

Roles

You are a [Town] Neapolitan Taste Tester

Active: Scoop
Each night, choose a player. You learn whether they are flavored as Vanilla.

You win when all threats have been completely eliminated, and when at least 1 Town member is still alive.

You are a [Town] Ice Cream

Active: Reflavor
Each night, decide whether to flavor yourself as Vanilla, Chocolate, or Strawberry. Repeat flavors are allowed.

• If you flavor yourself as Chocolate, you can also privately vote for a player that night. The player with the most votes will be protected. If there is a tie, no one will be protected.
• If you flavor yourself as Strawberry, you can place up to 2 private votes (for protection) that night (which can be on the same or different people), but the following night, you cannot choose to become Vanilla.
• You are able to vote for yourself to be protected.
• The player who gets protected will not be announced, and a successful protection will not notify the attacked player.
• If you do not use this action, you will remain the flavor you were the previous night.
  • For this purpose, you start the game as Vanilla.
  • If you do not use this action and were previously Strawberry, you still cannot become Vanilla the following night.

You win when all threats have been completely eliminated, and when at least 1 Town member is still alive.

You are a [Mafia] Ice Cream

Passive: Not Vanilla
You have no abilities but your voice and your vote. You do not register as Vanilla to the Neapolitan Taste Tester.

Active: Heat Gun (Factional Ability)
Once per game, Mafia can make their nightkill a strongman attack.

You win when you reach parity with the Town.

Vote Mechanics

• Use the latest voting format.
• Plurality: Whoever has the most votes at the end of a phase will die.
• Majority: At any point during day phase, whoever has >50% of all votes will die.
• [No Exe] is a valid vote.
• In case of a tie, a random player within the tie will be executed.
  –unless [No Exe] is also tied, in which case [No Exe] will take priority.
• Self-votes are considered valid votes.
• Votes are locked in XYLO scenarios.

Players

1. @Zone_Q11
2. @jail
3. @childe
4. @Frostwolf103
5. @Leafia
6. @Marluna
7. @Magnus
8. @potatocat
9. @Camilleon15
10. @Creature
11. @\Hippopablompoyeetus Mafia Ice Cream
12. @tutuu
13. @I_like_posts (@\ElizaThePsycho [Willow] and @\neil_the_eel)
14. @Chomps

Backups

1. @\May
2. @\Aleph
3. …

Spectators

1. @\Ash
2. @\benguinedparbecue
3. @\Atlas
4. @\soweli
5. …

[Zwischenzug]

Day 1 starts now, and ends at 2024-01-21T22:00:00Z.

Since there are 14 players alive, majority requires 8 votes.

Ping

@Zone_Q11
@jail
@childe
@Frostwolf103
@Leafia
@Marluna
@Magnus
@potatocat
@Camilleon15
@Creature
@Hippopablompoyeetus
@tutuu
@I_like_posts
@Chomps

[Leafia]

First.

[jail]

[jail]

YOOOO its been a hot minute leafeon how are u…

[tutuu]

hi hello. i wrote some thoughts

[tutuu]

i have the following 3 suggestions:

1. while the neapolitan cop is alive, nobody should solo decide to use strawberry mode on their own

2. the VTs should provide good cover for the cop via hinting at made-up peeks

3. every day we hold an unofficial vote for X players (X = # of living mafia + living cop + 1) to use chocolate mode. the remaining players choose vanilla mode and allow the cop to get a reliable peek on them

explanations for each in a separate post for readibility

[tutuu]

@tutuu

while the neapolitan cop is alive, nobody should solo decide to use strawberry mode on their own

strawberry restricts you from showing vanilla next night which might be used as an excuse by mafia for not showing as vanilla. and the benefit of using strawberry is basically going like “fuck you, my teammates, your votes are shit, i know how to vote better than you”. the pro is kinda disrespectful, and the con is that you’re doing what wolf will excuse themselves as. after the cop dies, sure, maybe use strawberry to try to mathematically lower chances of ties, whatever. if you do it before, and you decide to do it on your own, without it being a discussed plan to reduce chances of tie or something, if you just wanna have more votes, you are playing like a wolf imo. this strawberry mode was designed to gives wolves cover, it assumes that townies will be selfish and use it. i suggest we not be selfish and we dont use it and dont give wolves cover. then they dont have an excuse and they die

[tutuu]

@tutuu

the VTs should provide good cover for the cop via hinting at made-up peeks

we need the cop results. the cop could hard claim to out some results. but then they die or get anticlaimed and we get no more. we could do public hypothetical claims every day, but mafia has 2 weapons against the cop - anti-claim and strongman. they can neutralize two candidates in 1 night. so imo, the safest thing is for the cop, and for the VTs to all provide hints about their peeks. the VTs dont have peeks obviously, but they make up ones. and then they hint about it, think about it carefully, try to appear as the cop to the mafia, maybe change their play a bit to provide cover for the cop. once the cop dies we can ISO them and hopefully piece together their hints

[Chomps]

VOTE: I_like_posts

[tutuu]

@tutuu

every day we hold an unofficial vote for X players (X = # of living mafia + living cop + 1) to use chocolate mode. the remaining players choose vanilla mode and allow the cop to get a reliable peek on them

this is the minimum number of people required to guarantee that at least 1 VT will be chocolate and we will get the protection. on d1 it will be 5 people. so basically my suggestion is for everyone to vote for 5 people unofficially as the towniest. their top 5 townreads. at the end of the day we tally those unofficial votes. and the top 5 players use chocolate and protect whoever they want. everyone else chooses vanilla and allows the cop to get a reliable peek on them. (is my suggestion). the entire reason for this is to allow the cop to get reliable peeks into the PoE, instead of wondering if a “non-vanilla” peek means mafia or a townie who just decided to do whatever they want and not work with their team. the cop can already get trustworthy green peeks, but this way they also get trustworthy red peeks. non-vanilla peek on a player that wasn’t supposed to do that = confirmed wolf. we’d also be able to see the wolves unofficial chocolate votes on other wolves. we’d have more info to track them and pair them once we solve mid and late game

[Chomps]

very fitting start day bought like 4 tubs of ice cream it’s a very hot day

[Chomps]

owowow why is tutuu wallposting

[potatocat]

I’m picking vanilla until the cop dies. The cop can check me or not idc.

[Chomps]

im also focusing vanilla if i ever show up innocent i LIED

[Leafia]

Doing great.

@tutuu

i have the following 3 suggestions:

1. while the neapolitan cop is alive, nobody should solo decide to use strawberry mode on their own
2. the VTs should provide good cover for the cop via hinting at made-up peeks
3. every day we hold an unofficial vote for X players (X = # of living mafia + living cop + 1) to use chocolate mode. the remaining players choose vanilla mode and allow the cop to get a reliable peek on them

explanations for each in a separate post for readibility

This feels villagery. Willing to give Tutuu a slim townlean due to it. I also agree with him 100%

@potatocat

I’m picking vanilla until the cop dies. The cop can check me idc.

Willing to give this a townlean too.

[tutuu]

@tutuu

the VTs should provide good cover for the cop via hinting at made-up peeks

I want to bring the most emphasis to this. I think it’s very important for the VTs to remember to not make themselves blatant VTs in the eyes of the mafia.

The Cop will never be blatant VT - the only way for that to happen is if they lie about their peeks, which risks griefing their team hard. So like, if you are VT, and you hint about peeking a player vanilla, and then you push them - you are outing as VT, because if you were the real cop, you’d know that player is peeked town.

So even if you didn’t rand the cop, that doesn’t mean you get to just not think about the cop and play a selfish VT game. Please be mindful of what your team needs of you! Please don’t play this as a Mountaious, it’s not!

the mafia will be monitoring the thread every day after N1 to scan for the cop. they will dedicate a lot of effort into cop hunting. please think about it very carefully. everyone - cop and VT. even though we are the “good guys”, uninformed majority, in a setup like this, optimal play requires us to be speaky and deny information to our opponents, as if we were mafia. of course dont go too hard on that too please, FPSing is almost always griefing your team. lies being pushed too far usually griefs your team. just a bit of misdirection in moderation is what’s required

[Chomps]

Suspicious!