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the richest man is the man who reached enlginment - idk probably a famous guy and probably a real quote

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Thereā€™s snow everywhere

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wealth ceases to become a meaningful concept on a historicla scale. what matters is power, and access to it, which in almost all economic systems is equated with wealth

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Georgia isnā€™t supposed to have snow itā€™s always bad when Georgia has snow

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Did you guys know they named winter storms I didnā€™t

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It is possible that a past king or emperor had a bigger net worth I just doubt he would be unheard of if he was that wealthy

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In first place is Mansa Musa of the Mali Empire. Although Visual Capitalist states that Mansa Musaā€™s net worth was limited to around $415 billion, some historians argue that he is the richest man of all time, and the SCMP cited his fortune as ā€œincomprehensibleā€.Oct 31, 2024

I feel like being rich from stocks is cheating tbh

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This guy didnā€™t get rich from stocks

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itā€™s impossible to meaningfully compare Mansa Musaā€™s wealth to Elon Musk becasue the kinds of power they used are completely incomparable to one another. even if we had access to an exact record of the extent of Mansa Musaā€™s gold and the price of gold throughout the world at that time, that isnā€™t a fully accurate reckoning of his capital, yā€™know?

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something ā€œwealth must be spent or destroyedā€ something

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in terms of the mechanisms of wealth, even if Mansa Musaā€™s total gold reserves and holdings donā€™t exceed Muskā€™s in terms of the number we attatch to them, I think his power absolutely stomps Muskā€™s in terms of material reality

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there was a time with no history

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Itā€™s said that when Mansa Musa went on his hajj, he spent so much gold that he caused hyperinflation in the places he visited.

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all the numbers we associate with capital are just abstractions away from material reality - ultimately, money is just a measure of trust and credibility in a system of power and in people with political power. itā€™s an abstraction that allows the rich to control the lives of the poor

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point is, comparing the capital reserves of 2nd millenium sovereigns and merchants to 3rd millenium capitalists and countries is extraordinarily difficult because of the difference in economic reality

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Which time period? Is it possible that there was a person with more gold than mensa musa and yet zero evidence of it today? Im very skeptical

anyway uh. iā€™m not an expert in history even though i tried to be (still mad about the way i was treated), but yeah, if weā€™re measuring the richest people in history, itā€™s very unlikely that such a person left no evidence, unless you want to quantify richest in terms of like, ā€œamount of a given economy controlled by a singular personā€

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i dunno
humans have lived for a lot longer then the very small amount weā€™ve had history of, and capitalism has been around in many places for basically all of that

itā€™d be a bold assumption that during the time weā€™ve had history, only filthy rich people existed then

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like if we imagine an ice age fur trade, Ugh could concievably be considered to be the richest person in history becasue everyone is so scared shitless of him that they give him all their furs immediately as soon as they see him, thereby giving him complete control of the economy. but thatā€™s not something we can actually say and also contradicts a lot of the historical record about that period

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itā€™s important not to confuse the presence of money with capitalism; systems can have money present within them without necessairly being capitalistic. capitalism is a speicfic mode of production with a specific meaning.

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