Day 1 Read List Part 2:
Sorry again for having to split it up! I just wanted to at least get some of it out there, so people had stuff to discuss! I forgot how much time it takes for me to make my read lists. I like to be thorough.
Pandora: Scum
From what Iâm gathering from backreading, Pandora was the first person to suggest that the odds for King rand were fake. Although it was good to know, sharing this information doesnât make them more townie as it does not do anything for their slot imo. Especially since they use this as a reason to want to push the King out (âparanoiaâ).
This was an unusual pivot vote. It could be a joke as it seems this was a reference to Jarek being a deceptive King in the past, but I am uncertain if this was to support the âparanoiaâ or not. It is something that isnât sitting right with me.
Pandora was asked to find this reference for her King probability claim several times and claimed they could not find it. I just find it odd that despite it being discussed âa lotâ, thereâs no trace of it. Thatâs not a good look. I am tempted to check myself to see if I can find it, but I will have to look into that matter on my own time if I remember to.
I got like a massive wave of deja vu reading from these 4 posts. This style of messaging was almost identical to what I saw in a Heaven v. Hell game where one of the mafia just kinda threw their hands up in the air and lost. This does not feel like a townie response at all to give up so easily. If Pandora knew they were town, Iâd like to believe theyâd keep fighting to show us the truth. Arguably one of the biggest red flags Iâve seen all game.
Kiiruma: Town
If I remember correctly, this was said like said instantlyâright off the bat. It was definitely planned prior to game start. However, I think it is townie. I think Kiiruma read the rules and wanted to lead us in a good direction. I sense no ill will from this plan despite me somewhat disagreeing with it. (I agree with not openly claiming, but I do believe it leaves us in a no-mech situation).
^And for someone who relies on mech as you claim, it is an interesting path to take. Despite this, I still feel like youâre townie.
[quote=âKiiruma, post:51, topic:10030, full:trueâ]
1 - Choosing not to answer and I recommend nobody answers.
2 - Pandora
3 - Yes or No, take your pick. If Iâm not town Iâm a neut but course Iâd say that anyway lol
Despite the jokey answer toward the end, you are another player who answered Jailâs questions. As I mentioned in Derpâs read section, I do give you some townie points for this. A simple task but would probably scare wolves.
They were ready to support their claim that Pandora is who they sussed at the time relatively quickly. I tried to see how quickly they responded time-wise, and the best I could do was track their post count difference. (Post #54 was the question, and it was answered by post #96).
He was very transparent with where his head was at that time, and what I gathered from backreading, I agree with his assessment so far.
I think this is the biggest thing I disagree with Kiiruma on. I donât know what âmistakesâ Kiiruma is seeing from Achro. The only thing I really saw from Achro was âwe should kill the king the odds are high enoughâ, âI am annoyedâ, âDaeron is susâ, and then that was about it. If the âmistakesâ Kiiruma refers to are not knowing the probability, Iâd argue that wasnât a mistake. Hell, it was in the opening statement. The only person who knew about this altercation (to our knowledge) was Pandora.
I wonât quote the entire post, but they go on to give another delve into their thought process here, and I can tell their reads have been very consistent with how theyâve been playing. I sense no ill will.
This is yet another sentiment I agree with them on. Daeronâs response to being pushed on to felt townie and not defensive like a panicked scum.
This isnât a read, but I wanted to note this because I donât really understand it, and I would like to discuss it with Kiiruma.
Kiiruma catching a vote from Derp (someone who I think is Null/Scum-Lean) is a big red flag. Especially a vote with no support.
Chefs kiss! I responded to areas of interest, but this is all-in-all a very thought out reads list. Looks townie to me! I love the colors too!
The TL;DR list is also really nice. I hope to do that with mine once I get through it all. (Will probably be tomorrow if Iâm alive lol).
In summary, Kiiruma is probably one of my biggest townreads atm. I will continue to ISO everyone else, but this is my current thought process.
E itâs now 4:05. Sorry about the delay. I had to go feed my dogs.