Legacy Forum of Lies 2 - The Psychopathic King, Possessor, and Alchemist win

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#1461

my guess is Ossa is also town

#1462

What if Osaa and Abella being attacked is exactly from fireball from cabalist / sage?

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#1463

It’s possible

#1464

This only works if our Court Wizard was converted on the first night, but it’s possible.

#1465

In that case you’re saying osaa and anabelle both rolled the 50% chance to die and died but not Olivia

#1466

or not Daan.

#1467

i mean that would assume they got converted early, which could be possible, but also the chances are very low

#1468

@BlackKalev

  1. Explain exactly what you mean when you say ‘it can’t be a framer’. Is it just that a framer can’t lie about there being both cult and unseen, or are you saying you can confirm neither result you received is framed?

  2. Barring unseen complications, either:
    a. You know the Gex, whose N2 Action was BlackKaveh > Me
    b. You are neglecting to tell us that your investigation found yourself as a member of the cult
    c. The Oneiromancer added you to a dream sphere D1, and redirected you N2 to a frame or cult convert
    d. The information you’re providing is falsified

2a. The Gex must claim immediately to confirm this. Why would they ever decide to redirect your action to themselves in their position? It’s absolutely necessary for them to clear this up because if they don’t their action is directly making it harder for us to solve the game, since I don’t think it’s expected or reasonable of them to do that and I do not see how it could benefit town.

2b. This is a dubious premise because it undermines your own motivations to share the information to begin with, but if you refuse to make what happened clear it’s certainly possible you were converted to cult and not framed.

2c. While this is possible, I don’t see any way for it to be made more likely than the pure statistical odds. I won’t do the math but this is far from a primary consideration, and I would personally say that this seems like a speculative way for an Oneiromancer to play irrespective of that.

2d. Occam's razor - Wikipedia
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#1469

How would I be dead in this scenario?

#1470

Starting Cabalist could pull it off by no-actioning n1.
Starting Sage could do it too.

Both unlikely to exist. Starting Sage even more so, since who would be unseen killer if sage was there?

#1471

ya this is out of my league, im not even sure what B means

#1472

Framer frames people as faction in game. And randomizes if they are both present.
You can ask about it, it’s ask-host basis knowledge.

#1473

can they even start off as either or?

#1474

Gex redirects to themselves or redirects their victim to themselves. A is suggesting that the gex redirected the invest to the gex , B is suggesting the Gex sent the invest to themselves, thus finding themselves as cult

#1475

All we know there is at least one Mastermind or Cult Leader in game.
Rest of theirs factions were designed by host.

So in theory, yes.

#1476

2 is too complicated for me to answer, please reword in simpler words.

#1477

Fireball has 50% chance to kill someone and targets 3 neighboring players.
2 attacks next to each other could hint that cabalist/sage does exist. Both you and Olivia neighbour this 2 players.

#1478

but why?

#1479

For what it’s worth, this means that if the Gex doesn’t claim, from your perspective you should be able to confirm they’re a member of the cult or it’s 2c, so you should probably reveal their name immediately because 2c as previously mentioned is not very likely.

#1480

I think I understand, but usually unseen starts with Assassin or I guess Moon. I think cult can have a starting Cabalist.