Mountainous AMQ - GAME OVER, TOWN WINS (2/15 Left) Thread 2

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

They know that in a F3 situation you have to evaluate and solve both players, at that point you need to focus on the present and not the past.

You did not evaluate both players. You ignored the last six days and claimed you weren’t. You called Merpy pure based on eight posts today that weren’t AI, instead of anything earlier this game that actually felt really pure.

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

I disagree with this. Especially since you had a sudden spike in passion. I think ignoring this major difference in playstyle would be a mistake on my part. I can’t look past this I’m sorry

Look at me.
I know Magnus looked better than you did.
They looked better then both of us.
I felt like it was very likely you as the wolf.
Even from what the flipped wolves said it felt you were more likely the wolf and I thought you were
Until I interacted with you, engaged with you and felt purity from you.

It wasn’t what you have done it’s the behaviour you were showing today that made me realize you were the town.

[Magnus]

@Zorvo

If I came into today as a wolf planning to vote Magnus, I don’t go and say “if Magnus is a wolf there is a 6% chance we win this” or whatever.

Why not? You’ve been setting up concern on me half this game.

[MerpyDerpy]

@Zorvo

If I came into today as a wolf planning to vote Magnus, I don’t go and say “if Magnus is a wolf there is a 6% chance we win this” or whatever.

This statement doesn’t tell me much. A lot of your agruments have been “in my town meta I don’t do X, Y, Z”. As someone who doesn’t know you, this doesn’t feel concrete enough to me

[Zorvo]

At least if we do lose and you vote me here Merpy.

I am still proud to have figured you out as town.

[Magnus]

@Arctic

@Zorvo

Why is Magnus being ignored?

because i think the way they treated etha is out of their wolfrange

i get that they didn’t really push for her hard on day 1 much at all, but one of the hallmarks of players that don’t buss is that we all hate bringing attention to our partners first before anyone else does, and magnus was the first person to bring attention to etha’s posts being bad. on top of that they’ve just had a ton of unique angles (mostly on day 1) that i struggle to see a wolf coming up with, looking into what they thought could be potential slips, etc.

i’m more inclined to trust no-bussing metas when the reason for said playstyle is more of a moral/principle thing rather than because it is what the player believes to be optimal. in the former case (which is this case, in the world where magnus is a wolf) it would go against this entire set of principles to bring attention to etha on day 1 before anyone else did

i also kind of doubt they bother with paranoia on you here as mafia since you are gonna have to be nightkilled at some point if you’re town, i think?

is there something you actually find problematic with the slot

@Zorvo

Idk Magnus wolf range that well tbh but they are a capable player to change that range or improve that range.

Magnus did push btw.

@Zorvo

So this is all meta based?
Also for the last part, Idk I think I’m a capable Miss execution

Zorvo.

[MerpyDerpy]

I appreciate that. I am quite the dilemna here imo. I can feel the emotion in your posts, but I feel like that isn’t concrete evidence. I need evidence to feel confident in my vote. Don’t get me wrong: You have posted a lot, and I appreciate your willingness to defend yourself, but I don’t think it will be enough to sway me

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

Furthermore, what would be the point of the previous days if we were just meant to ignore it in this moment?

I’d agree.
But if I followed everything that had happened I would have voted you, but I knew this is F3 and in a F3 if you don’t vote right you lose. So I needed to interact I needed to vibe feel and see if I could feel the town vibe like I did with Jorm but more so, I needed that feel of where it was like “THIS and THESE posts come from a town” and that’s what I felt with you.

[Magnus]

I changed my mind. This EOD has been fun, thank you both for being here.

[MerpyDerpy]

From my POV, I either vote Zorvo bc he has a ton of evidence against him, or I vote Magnus solely bc Zorvo’s passion felt townie. If I step back and think about that statement, there isn’t rlly a reason to vote Magnus in that statement. The only reason I would be voting them is bc passion (which isn’t alignment indicative). I feel like I’m making the wrong choice, but I can’t bring myself to vote Magnus in good faith

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

can feel the emotion in your posts, but I feel like that isn’t concrete evidence. I need evidence to feel confident in my vote. Don’t get me wrong: You have posted a lot, and I appreciate your willingness to defend yourself, but I don’t think it will be enough to sway me

FUCK MAN.

I don’t want another town loss.

There isn’t much I can do or say Merpy I am sorry.

Magnus had real good posts and I don’t have much evidence against them.

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

can’t bring myself to vote Magnus in good faith

Please tell me how I can though, if there is a chance we can win, let me know how.

[MerpyDerpy]

@Zorvo

I needed that feel of where it was like “THIS and THESE posts come from a town”

And why couldn’t you do this in the previous days? Why did you have to do that in this day exclusively? Yes, you have to be more cautious with your vote, but why would do you need to disregard previous evidence?

[Magnus]

That was my question. Where did your social deduction practice come from, which sort of games do you play?

[MerpyDerpy]

@Zorvo

Magnus had real good posts and I don’t have much evidence against them.

@Zorvo

Please tell me how I can though, if there is a chance we can win, let me know how.

That’s the thing: I don’t think you can do anything to sway me here. Your emotion feels genuine here again, but I don’t think emotion is enough to dictate who I should vote. I am a firm believer in evidence beats emotion. Not in every scenario, but I think in most. Plus, you could theoretically be this passionate bc you rlly want to win. Sure, you can deny that, but how would I know?

[MerpyDerpy]

To build on this, I feel like any argument that you have presented Zorvo has relied on me thaving your perspective/info to make sense, was a weaker argument, and/or was shot down by Magnus

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

And why couldn’t you do this in the previous days?

Because it didn’t happen in previous days, in previous days I still be thinking Demi or Doodle. I wasn’t in a F3 scenario where I could have 1 on 1 full engagement.

@MerpyDerpy

Why did you have to do that in this day exclusively?

Because I needed to find the town today as I have said many times before.
And again it’s F3 and it happened to where you convinced me from how your posts felt to me.

I needed an answer today, that is what I came into today to do.

Find Town
Find Wolf

Figure out who’s who

[Magnus]

Here’s my simulation: Zorvo kills Demisha and expects Merpy to vote him quickly, like with yesterday. That’s the reason why he holds his vote. When Merpy didn’t vote immediately, he suggests that I vote first, and then proceeds to townread Merpy afterwards. The timeline doesn’t really hold up.

[Zorvo]

@MerpyDerpy

That’s the thing: I don’t think you can do anything to sway me here.

I can try.

@MerpyDerpy

Sure, you can deny that, but how would I know?

I can’t.

I didn’t directly expect to beat the deep wolf here, they played well.

But I think this would have been a great town comeback, award winning even.

[MerpyDerpy]

Oh uh let’s see. I’ll just rattle off some names:
Town of Salem
MindNight
Deceit
Among Us
Goose Goose Duck
Unfortunate Spacemen
One Night Ultimate Werewolf
Project Winter
Espionage
Etc.
As you can probably tell, I really like social deduction games. They’re my favorite game genre!