Mountainous AMQ Game Over - Town Wins (2/15 Left) Thread 1

[Zenon]

Get rekt Zorvo

[Magnus]

@Zenon

I have quite literally never seen Zorvo act like this in my life

Holistically or are you only pointing towards specific incidents?

@Zenon

Fine your analysis is bad Drinks was never in real danger of going over

I get that because it’s why I pushed up an Etha counterwagon, but before then it was either Leafia (who was getting townread by Achro, a few others, and any town dissidents could’ve backed off in this scenario) or Drinks. I disagree with saying they were never going down when there was a time that Drinks had a majority vote of four.

@Zenon

its unlikely there was a bus and wolfs would want to spread their votes with a runaway town wagon

Here you’re semi-agreeing with me. I said they weren’t evil together because there wasn’t a bus unless a few circumstances were met.

[Magnus]

@Zenon

And yet you’ve been questioning Littens? Feels weird.

Pardon?

[Demisha]

hug hug headpat

[Demisha]

Must hug the Takina

[Demisha]

Going to bed, haven’t read anything that’s made me wanna point out anything, hopefully if there’s not a quatrigillion new posts tomorrow and I have energy left after catching up I’ll go over Etha’s ISO but I feel relatively guilt free with that vote already

[Demisha]

Obviously I’ll be around way before EOD, as much as I wish I could sleep 16 hours straight I’m not that much of a mess

[Magnus]

D1 Demisha

Summary

@Demisha

Here’s my wolf post of the day

Do not interact with Drinks so they can play Magic

@Demisha

I wanted to play magic with Drinks at the time but they wanted to post in the thread when it opened flasdkfjsgl

My tinfoil is that Demisha and Drinks are W/W since they were talking about the game, probably on Discord, right before SOD1. I doubt this holds up under scrutiny, particularly because I doubt anyone would out this information publicly if so. Thereby unaligned.

Demisha also openwolfed in her starter, which is a pretty good sign.

@Demisha

Litten already has two outstandingly solid posts, turbo town read

Admitted to be comedic in nature later on.

At most I think this suggests familiarity with Litten, and that Demisha felt pretty good entering the thread. This post was made right after SOD1, so she presumably felt energetic as well, prepared to take on the world, all that.
(#25 and onward lend themselves to this impression.

@Demisha

Cuuuuuuute Aqua pfp
Is this your first game Merpy?

@Demisha

Getting acquainted with FM etiquette right off the gates you love to see it

Semi-partnered with Merpy in isolation, in that Demisha posted a question at her immediately and then didn’t respond to Merpy’s answer, instead going off something Etha said. This second post doesn’t have a great reason to exist. I know people talk and notice these things but I’m not one of them.

@Demisha

So what I’m reading is vote Etha until she solves every single wolf in the game

I’m not really sure what to gleam from this post until one of them flip.

@Demisha

I want Arctic alive for late game no matter what, I know him enough that I enjoy reading his solving more than probably anyone else’s posts in the player list

Resolutely unpaired with Arctic unless Demisha has a history of being really bold as evil and I think Arctic would’ve shut this down in scumchat if he had the opportunity in that case. All of her posts up until now have expressed a carefree attitude and mentality in the game thread, which all feels pure but not in an inherently alignment indicative fashion.

@Demisha

I will whip out my trump card and say the line that’s won me the most games so far in my mafia career:

Leafia is sus and venting

Whoever wants to vote her is not w/w with her

Next post confirms Demisha was not intentionally setting up a Leafia scumread here. Arctic pointed out that Demisha said this line in a previous scumgame, which I think was the joke. It isn’t at all alignment indicative, it’s just digging fun.

@Demisha

I don’t agree with this

@Demisha

What I was saying there was that “Litten/Achro probably not w/w.” off of what that post is replying doesn’t make sense to me logically, its basically going off the premise of “This interaction I just saw is never wolf theater in my eyes” but to me it very well could’ve been, I think it’s unlikely so it’s why I’m not wolf reading Achro and/or Litten off of it either but it’s not off the question.

Demisha then decides to take reacting to the game seriously in a startling turn of events, shutting down Leafia’s read (which is both bold and partially disputes the idea she wasn’t really reading Leafia yet, particularly given the suspicion that starts to flourish soon thereafter). I think the explanation provided for her disagreement, particularly given that the “Litten townread” post commented earlier on was dismissed as a joke here.

@Demisha

This post feels so lazy to me while trying to look turbo invested right away, I don’t like it

Shading Leafia in continuum with the previous response, might just be sheeping Arctic given that earlier remark.

@Demisha

Unironically seeing you write a post that’s more than a single sentence feels odd coming from you, even though I highly respect you because you have such an unpredictable playstyle from my perspective the few times I’ve been in FM with you, the one thing that always stood out to me was how dry and small your posts were as town but you never raised suspicion. I’ll just keep this in mind is all.

Shading Lol when he popped into the thread at the time.

@Demisha

Arctic is playing the most 101 Arctic town textbook to me the way he’s reacting and talking in thread, this slot feels so easily cleared as town

@Demisha

I mean idk maybe Arctic is playing me like a fiddle but I literally predicted this answer from Arctic in my town textbook version of Arctic, if he is I’d have no regrets if I’m mistaken trusting this slot but I trust it enough that I’m never pushing against it for D1 at the very least.

@Demisha

This type of line is very typical of T!Arctic trying to contribute to the thread and just the general way he’s been reacting to some things without being prompted seem to be in line with what I’d expect from him

Townreading Arctic is sensible and agreeable so I’m not majorly fond of the “but maybe” that Demisha placed here. This read was early on in the game so locking in any reads that quickly isn’t an expected behaviour, but the former post makes it read as though she already was that confident and it was just a cursory hesitation being shown here. I still think Demisha and Arctic wouldn’t ever be wolves together, and this pretty much sells it anyway because if she’s evil this will read like TMI.

@Demisha

Why are you so confident on doodle’s slot? I personally feel pretty null about what they’ve posted so far

Asks this question to Zenon, never follows up on responding when she more or less says she’s putting things together in her mind palace.
(#1309)

@Demisha

I can’t if I’ve seen him play as mafia with me as spectator or player, but to me he’s playing so like his usual town archetype that if his mafia play is literally identical to this i’m fine letting it slide, it’s why I gave it a D1 pass as a minimum , I can spend some more time analyzing that slot in future days but I don’t think it’s worth it this early on when there’s other slots that raise eyes a bit easier

I’m a fan of this response because it lines up with the premise that scumhunting pretty much involves hunting for comparisons between a player’s town or wolf game at any given moment.

@Demisha

Damn this is typical town Zenon? I thought it was pretty wolfy just from a couple posts looking a bit overreacting, the cascade of gifs with no text and the agreements and disagreements she was handing out while looking considerably not-invested in those comments

@Demisha

But if there’s people here who’ve played with her before and they can vouch for this play style as not red flag I’ll leave it to them for now

Sorta just taking Tutuu’s word for this being Zenon’s town meta. This feels like it, but it seems a bit idle.

@Zenon

@Demisha

What the fuck are you two arguing about how can you make anything out of Doodle’s posts they feel so null

Okay so check it. Town do certain things that wolfs are <rand likely to do that people like to scum read

@Demisha

You’re so right, town doesn’t give a fuck if they die for the most part and you get to see that in how willingly they are to kill themselves to prove themselves sometimes (Of course, filtering out genuine attempts at this and non-genuine ones that would be wolves trying to show themselves that way and then backing off or doing it half-heartedly)

This conversation went on a tangent moving away from reading Doodleshy, I think.

@Demisha

This is just how Doodle is, I wouldn’t take use it as alignment indicative, if anything the only reason I have a very slight wolf lean on Doodle is their lack of investment in the game when I’d expect them to have a bit higher degree of interest and investment in a game like this.

That being said again, it’s not a great hunch and there’s other slots that are more appealing to vote in D1 as it stands so I’m not too interested in diving too much in that analysis right now. I will say this post from you makes me feel slightly better about your slot Zenon.

Demisha wasn’t a fan of Doodle being townread either, which actually squares nicely with her finding Leafia’s early post about Achro and Litten being unaligned to be “disagreeable”, because it suggests consistency in that she will readily jump in about other topics if there’s something to say.

@Demisha

Wanting to vote Magnus feels incredibly awkward to me with the current game state, it’s probably the vote I’d expect the least, why Magnus?

@Doodleshy

I don’t know anybody here or have any prior knowledge of forum mafia, much less mountainous. At this point I’m operating off of gut instinct and hunches, as well as a fair amount of cognitive bias. Magnus tried to scumread me, and that may have caused this, but all in all I’m basically guessing.

I’m amused that Demisha was pretty much doing what I did but more noticeably, and yet Doodle didn’t shade her. Demisha pretty much agreed to drop casing them before, and yet here we are: I actually like this because it feels like she’s being less reserved and cautious than she said she would be.

@Demisha

This so much, honestly that’s an amazing point. Just imagine a world in which Arctic and I are both wolves, genuinely ask yourself if we’d both agree to set up so much theater just so I can vouch in Arctic’s direction, it’s literally a waste of credibility because neither of us needs each other to avoid shitting the bed when pushed as wolf by others

There is enough investment in this claim that it’s believable, as I brought up yesterday.

@Demisha

Drinks tends to be wolf when ghosting imo

@Demisha

Not really, I was thinking about that just now and considering moving my vote over to Drinks or Jormok but idk

@Demisha

I literally have been bringing up Drinks as one of the slots that deserves to be put on the spotlight the most, I’m just lazy to write a full on case about them

To repeat myself, Demisha felt like she was zeroing in onto Drinks during D1. Furthermore, she wasn’t too fond about Tutuu suspecting her.

@Demisha

why is Magnus a better vote than Leafia, Drinks, Jormok, Doodle or Zenon right now? (Possibly you too Litten I just haven’t been paying much attention to your posts because I’m more focused on those people for D1)

Demisha hadn’t brought up Jormok or really Zenon a lot from what I’ve seen in her ISO, but I think these reads are generally consistent with her early thoughts. I’m amused by her mentioning Doodleshy’s name here as well, when they were the voter in question.

@Litten

I’ve never seen a villager explain why they aren’t a wolf with arctic so vigorously before so probably wolf too

@Demisha

At least I can rest easy knowing that when you flip me around D2 or D3 you’re not gonna start being paranoid about Arctic

@Demisha

I’m down to flip me so y’all can stop wasting brain power on me and just lock Arctic while focusing on the actual awkward slots of the game, vote me I dare you all, just think long and hard about what a waste it is to vote my slot instead of the others that deserve it more than me, at least for a D1

@Demisha

I was about to say if you scum read me so bad why don’t y’all vote me already so we can get the hard town lock on Arctic already but I scrolled a bunch to finally find the vote count and saw that you were voting me at the very least.

These are a strange set of posts, thinking about dying later off in the future in response to someone calling you a wolf once. Demisha was absolutely confident in locking in Arctic as town at this stage as well, so this should clarify that earlier so-so comment about possibly being wrong on him (which wasn’t the last). This also means three players have shown acceptance of death this game to pretty mild levels of pressure, which is ludicrous.

@Demisha

You’re so tunneled, you should start reading other people a bit more independently of “What do they think of Demisha” as the final outcome, it’s fine if you reach that conclusion for like a few people but this is definitely more than 3 people you heavily skew your read on because of how they think of my slot, and the wolf team is 3 players

For someone who was eager to die, Demisha was concerned about Leafia’s push on her more than multiple people today believed was warranted.

@Demisha

This isn’t particularly relevant but interesting that you veto EXE your top town read instead of focusing on pushing your top wolf read above any other slot that you think has higher odds of flipping town than your top suspicion.

With that said I realized Drinks in my head flips town in a lot more worlds than the ones in which you flip town.

I suppose this is a good post. I didn’t particularly expect Leafia to flip red but I don’t want to grudge the players who did and it shows a willingness to reevaluate on the Drinks scumread she implicitly had.

@Demisha

And honestly Zenon is a close second on being that confident of a town read for me, not quite an “I’d risk anything” though

This read didn’t really develop anywhere that I could see.

@Demisha

Jormok/Drinks i’d just completely erase now. Jormok had that incredibly huge time investment (albeit badly formatted but that’s not what matters for this analysis) post in which they went over a bunch of posts (Obviously I didn’t go and fact check each one of them because following that format is kind of a pain in the ass (psst I didn’t fact check a single one)) but if I focus on how much time investment he must’ve put into that given the length of it it feels a bit way too overkill for a wolf.

Demisha reevaluated on Jormok absolutely because he wrote a long wall, I guess. That’s actually just fine because I reached a similar-ish conclusion at the time, and yet I don’t know if this is a characteristic that makes sense from the actions she has demonstrated today.
I will say that she forgot all about Doodle by now.

@Demisha

It doesn’t mean anything, especially not in the world where Leafia is bussing for W team

@Demisha

This reads as last straws at moving the focus and hopefully creating a counter wagon possibly before EOD?

Not really looking to go too hard on Achro right now but I don’t think there’s any world in which it makes sense to vote Etha from the array of options we have for day one

Demisha tunnelled onto Leafia for the rest of the day because she was really confident in her flipping evil and that was about it.

TL;DR: There is no good without the bad.

[lol]

read over what i missed nothing that i particularily care to respond to; jormok still town stop trying to kill him

[Zorvo]

@Zenon

I trust myself as wolf more than any player in the world.

Why say this?

[Zorvo]

@Zenon

Zorvo is super serious he loses it on me because of this.

Pre Game

[Zorvo]

@Zenon

Get rekt Zorvo

Why do I talk so much?

[Zorvo]

I won’t disagree some things In Demi ‘s Day 1 isn’t the best but their Day 2 is pretty good.

[Zorvo]

Technically this is a vanilla game and we shouldn’t be clearing anyone.

Except lol, I am clearing lol.

Tutuu I doubt is ever mafia from how they handled today.

There’s a very low ass chance Demi is Mafia unless their teammates are doing well, or as Magnus said it’s Drinks.
And I’ll add on the last partner probably someone doing pretty well and knows Achro somewhat.

[Zorvo]

You know at first I thought Drinks being in everyone’s PoE was bad but now I realize that no one is actually caring to vote them.

I wonder if it’s my fault.

[Zorvo]

If lol is ever actually mafia he is with Jorm.

But he ain’t mafia.

[Zorvo]

VOTE: Drinks

[Arctic]

recency bias for magnus and achro’s posts at the time about leafia being coached scaring me

[Arctic]

when has he ever done this unhinged bullshit as mafia

[Arctic]

he’s literally done this 1f1 in a towngame but maybe you weren’t in it