Netrunner Mafia - Game Over: Mala Tempora

[Arctic]

i nearly peed myself

[guavagudetama]

Oh yeah, voting

I think I’m done being depressed? We’ll check back on that one later

Gonna trust Ashlyn’s gut over my own and vote this instead of Flygon
Though once she wakes up and explains herself I’ll probably switch off lol
VOTE: Kanave

[Arctic]

@Kanave don’t fullclaim. ignore the haters

[Squirrel2412]

hm
does that change your read of their slot at all?

[Magnus]

EOD lightning recap:

@NinjaPenguin

Which is another instance that makes me feel like Guava isn’t playing in a solvy way
The first part is fine but when put alongside the second part this feels so forced
“going after an unpopular target doesn’t clear you but it makes a lot of sense that you’re town because you targeted an unpopular target in-thread”
Yeah no this is just trying to seem like you’re putting consideration into Caspore’s alignment without actually doing real townie thought

VOTE: guavagudetama

While I vibed alright with this post, I still want to think about Ninja’s slot more today, which I’ll do after my recap.

@Flygon

Mafia wins 90% of the time and I don’t think Town has clean sweeped in forever and id like to change that this game.

That was my new years resolution.

@Flygon

I think Ashlyn can be town, I just don’t think Kanave is a wolf here and I’d really like some more thoughts from Shed and Dum. Dum being less active concerns me cause I know the dude can give more here.

I mainly vibe with this post in hindsight because I feel alright about Ashlyn and I’ve wondered aloud about voting Dum out, and Kanave’s claiming vigilante or something (I want to doubt Proph would put a Mafia Vigilante in one of their games, but I dunno), and Shed’s a reasonable target for suspicion… sure.
Kanave shooting Shed overnight appears to be what happened last night, and that shot was extremely reasonable.

@Flygon

@Magnus

seemed to be acting helpful without being really helpful

I mean this could just be how I’m viewing things but I think Arctic is doing exactly that this game.

I’ll put a pin in it and keep my eye on Arctic, sure, but I’m not getting the vibes.

@NinjaPenguin

Town
Caspore: Her reaction to feeling pressured felt very pure; #553 is a post that feels way outside the range of newbie scum to make in thread rather than scumchat
Flygon: I’m a sucker for AtE but wow was that some townie AtE

Squirrel2412: Had that one post about two people solving the same
Ashlyn: Similar to my TR on Squirrel I liked their attempt to puzzle some kind of alignement out of a super bizarre statement from Caspore
Vulgard: Probably the solviest player in the thread? V much biased bc their early posts made them feel very like me just accustomed to this playerlist but weh (also I asked them a question that idk they answered and would like a response k thx)

Kanave: Don’t really understand the case on them? Don’t have a great reason for putting them here but vibes-wise they have a consistent tone/thought process
Dum: I liked the way they talked about being ungrammatical though still can’t really put my finger on why

Netural
ElizaThePsycho: Still hasn’t answered my questioning and I’m still annoyed. Dumb penguin kinda wants to give her townpoints for being so ridiculously obstructive but dumb penguin is dumb
Magnus: Throwing out my blanket tentative to read a player within 24 hours of entering the thread read
Arctic: Still can’t really get a handle on this slot? All their posts are fine but none really ping me in either way and I’m still too confused on how they are as a player (transparent yet edited? calm yet sharp and defensive?) to feel like I have the ability to macroread them. I’ll hopefully? get a handle on this at some point weh

Scum
Shending_Help: I haven’t thought v much about this slot but liked Vulgard’s case on them

guavagudetama: Already posted my thoughts here

With this done I’m not really feeling content? I like the reads that I have but I feel like there’s a lot of players here that I’m yet to really have a great grip on as like people and tomorrow I’ll probably need to start looking at meta or something weh

How would you say your readlist has developed, Ninja?

@Flygon

I think personally Arctic is trying to pocket you a bit and I’m your big defender here and I’ll make sure you don’t get executed so don’t worry about that part, but just don’t fully trust Arctic, you need to trust me.
Especially if I die, don’t trust Arctic.
You also aren’t ever going to win a battle against Arctic late game if they are indeed a wolf, so you need to either believe in me, Vulgard or maybe even Magnus as his entrance posts are Townie enough I’m willing to say he can be a town and if he or Vulgard pushes Arctic, push with them.

Like wtf is Arctic doing? He’s not reaching out like a Townie like Vulgard is, he’s just going with the flow, trying to make content that either looks good or makes others trust him more, he’s luring in players to his side.

@Flygon

Now I just realize that I am Top Wagon.
There are 3 players voting me and Arctic may switch to me.

@NinjaPenguin
@Squirrel2412
@Caspore

I know I’m town, you guys Town read me so
We need to comprise so I don’t go over today.

Flygon, hold on. Were you townreading Squirrel last night, why would you try to appeal to him second? Squirrel wasn’t even online at the time.

@Flygon

So we need to make sure someone else goes over, someone else that has a decently high likelihood of flipping red.
Shending can be a wolf here and I’m willing to believe it can be the case cause I really want this to be an epic town win!

Shoot for the moon! Even if you miss, you’ll still end up between the stars!

@ElizaThePsycho

flygon’s threats are vain
even if they carry them out, it does nothing

@Kanave

@everyone who is active rn
I’m a Vig do not Misexe me please

Kanave fired to confirm themselves… alright, I buy this.

@Arctic

…why are you calling it v/v when you are scumreading shending?

This was never responded to.

@ElizaThePsycho

WHY

I’d like to imagine Eliza was genuinely shocked to die here, but death seemed a long way coming.
Anyway, that’s EOD done. I didn’t really learn anything, this was just a way to return to thread with a wallpost. To shame.

[Magnus]

@Arctic

VOTE: ninjapenguin

i made a paragraph case on them, decided it was stupid after reading their eod posts and deleted it because i was basically just creating a narrative, but then decided i have nothing better to do

that said, i think i have the least reasons to think this slot is town anyway. squirrel’s posting right now isn’t bad

Oh hey, he did the thing.

[guavagudetama]

nope! I still think their gameplay is suspicious.
If you’ve ever seen me play with Drinks: If you do something suspicious, I’m going to think you’re suspicious, even if you usually do that suspicious thing
Also I don’t remember them being that abrasive at any EoD

[Arctic]

…you were expecting me to do this? why?

[Magnus]

I wasn’t expressly expecting you or anyone else to bring up suspicion on Ninja, I just hoped someone might.

[Arctic]

@Magnus

How would you say your readlist has developed, Ninja?

i’m also interested in the answer to this question given my position on the readlist :amogus:

@Magnus

I wasn’t expressly expecting you or anyone else to bring up suspicion on Ninja, I just hoped someone might.

oh well consider my vote an invitation to everyone to discuss the slot because i want people to talk about them more as well

[guavagudetama]

@Arctic

@Magnus

How would you say your readlist has developed, Ninja?

i’m also interested in the answer to this question given my position on the readlist :amogus:

I didn’t even know you were on the read list because there wasn’t a linebreak between you and Magnus and Eliza. I thought that was one big paragraph about Eliza

[Squirrel2412]

fair

@guavagudetama

Also I don’t remember them being that abrasive at any EoD

I noticed that too
tho the last time I played was offsite with a considerably different culture so it might’ve just been that

[Arctic]

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i think skimming parts of this game, like eods or iso’s, would be the single most valuable meta source for this game given that me, vulgard, flygon (aka zorvo) and magnus were in this game

in particular i want to bring up zorvo’s early tunnel on arete and similarities to their push on me this game (but also the slight difference in that it is a little more muted this game) as well as his behaviour at eod4 where he tries to CFD me in an… again similar way, but slightly more muted

i looked at their eods in starcraft where they were a wolf and they didn’t really have this passion or desire to… influence anything really, and they were actually trying to buss their teammates at that point. point is they definitely have played abrasively as town - and you could make the argument it’s actually town indicative for them

[guavagudetama]

@Arctic

point is they definitely have played abrasively as town - and you could make the argument it’s actually town indicative for them

I wish that wasn’t the case because… yikes.

[NinjaPenguin]

@Arctic

i think it’s pretty self-explanatory why someone would want someone else to explain a scumread on themselves, even if it’s not to read that player’s alignment, they can at least use this explanation to then explain why it’s wrong

But the thing is that Guava didn’t explain what was wrong
Guava didn’t respond at all to the answer to their question and it wasn’t to make a read
A townie can want clarification on thought process but that’s because they plan on doing something about it
It’s scum who ask questions and don’t care about the answer because scum don’t ask questions thinking about the game they ask them to look like someone who is thinking about the game
Reread Guava’s interaction with Caspore and it’s textbook how to pocket a player who SRs you. Say “let’s talk” and give them a TR but not one that looks easy, and expect them to reciprocate

I uh intended on reading past this point but I just realized my plans for tonight were earlier than I expected so I can’t do the ISO dive I was planning on but I’ll get to that and respond to stuff after this point in the morning if I can sorry for being so busy

[Magnus]

@guavagudetama

Anyway, I’m actually pretty okay with dying here because after some thought and seeing Kanave shoot Shending (hopefully, if she shot Caspore I’ll be upset) my whole world view is wrong so I’m like… feeling really dumb rn

So yeah I’m fine with this
VOTE: guavagudetama

I don’t like this self-vote.

@Vulgard

With the flips being what they are, I think Squirrel is a more likely wolf by process of elimination (I have you and guava as lock town still).

My vote has been vindicated.

@guavagudetama

@Flygon

I’m not like Magnus that let you opportunistically vote him off day 1.

What game is this, because I’d love to see Magnus “ let ” Arctic vote him off

If I recall correctly, the votes were 5-4 with me intentionally not pres-voting and a couple players willing to save me. I definitely didn’t need to go over in that game.

@Vulgard

In hindsight, I should’ve tried to help make the Squirrel wagon happen, but I thought it was Shending that was a wolf and I had no read on Squirrel, so I couldn’t vote that over coinflip Eliza. I’m okay with going Squirrel today.

I just voted Squirrel yesterday because a lot of the alternatives seemed worse. That’s not really the case again today.

@Ashlyn

EoD was a fucking shitshow and I’m
massively disappointed in myself for showing up late im so sorry

Can everyone please stop calling EOD terrible? The mere fact that it’s terrible gives vital information to work with, now or in the future, what?

@Ashlyn

NP started a flash wagon, yes, but on their own it didn’t do much. Rather than being scum-originated, it was more likely to be scum-perpetuated based on how fast it grew. Vulgard’s vote, additionally, was essentially non-material; there were five seconds left in the day, and Eliza was already sunk. This doesn’t mean they can’t be scum, it just means I doubt there’s any relevance in it here

While I can accept this reasoning, I’ll just point out that Eliza’s the sort of player that villagers can convince themselves to jump onto… so while you’re probably correct, Ninja could still be a wolf here with how quickly the wagon grew at the end.

Weren’t there three sudden votes on Eliza at EOD within a few seconds of each other? That’s how it looked reading back. In that case, Vulgard simply might not have had any time.

@Arctic

@Ashlyn

I’m going to go out on a limb and say that there aren’t three wolves in guava, magnus, dum/wazza, and squirrel, which means im assuming that there’s at least one wolf in this trio of 3

why
i could unironically see the last 3 names being a scumteam

Dum/Wazza / Squirrel. Leave my name out of this.

I’ll just break this up, I’m not contributing anything of note here.

[guavagudetama]

@NinjaPenguin

A townie can want clarification on thought process but that’s because they plan on doing something about it

well that’s not the case here. Sometimes I’m just curious. But curiosity killed the cat and looking at my pfp this might not end well for me.

@NinjaPenguin

It’s scum who ask questions and don’t care about the answer because scum don’t ask questions thinking about the game they ask them to look like someone who is thinking about the game

Now you’re pulling a Flygon. Don’t assume that just because I don’t respond to every single response to every single thing I say that means I didn’t think about it.

@NinjaPenguin

Reread Guava’s interaction with Caspore and it’s textbook how to pocket a player who SRs you. Say “let’s talk” and give them a TR but not one that looks easy, and expect them to reciprocate

I didn’t expect her to reciprocate
THAT’S WHY I BACKED OFF
SHE OBVIOUSLY WASN’T GOING TO STOP TOWNREADING ME
AND SHE DIDN’T
and you wanna say I’m not thinking. Ridiculous.

@Magnus

I don’t like this self-vote.

me neither that’s why I changed it

[Magnus]

How is everyone expected to keep track of their postcount per day? Do it themselves, or…?

[guavagudetama]

I was thinking about that too
I’m at ~40 rn but it seems a bit weird that we don’t have a new thread so we can see our new postcounts
but we already started posting so that’s not really a solution rn I think

[Flygon]

@guavagudetama

Arctic true posting here this reply to NP feels kinda towny because NP is trying to say that Eliza was town for saying reaction test instead of joke (I think???) and Arctic calling out that that makes no sense looks good for him

It depends on both of their alignments.

@Vulgard

VOTE: Arctic

EoD was objectively a mess and I think he’s part of the reason why.

VOTE: Arctic

@Arctic

but i want to try to get a better grasp on the game today as well.

Then let’s see what you do.

@Ashlyn

i think flygon/squirrel/kanave could be a full team
there is quite literally nothing stopping it except the potential of flygon seeming too partnered with kanave to such a degree it might be a pocket and ofc the vig claim

I’ll look later on why you think I’m ever a wolf here as well as Kanave.
I think this is just a garbage solve tbh.

@guavagudetama

Gonna trust Ashlyn’s gut over my own and vote this instead of Flygon
Though once she wakes up and explains herself I’ll probably switch off lol
VOTE: Kanave

Me and Kanave are both obvious town, the PoE yesterday was garbage.

I have a secret wolf read that becomes almost lock wolf to me on an Arctic wolf flip tbh.