The other thing is, I wasn’t all that confident myself (in the Wazza CFD). This entire game I think I’ve been playing really badly, but I’ve genuinely had no real idea where the wolves are. I had a wolfread on Shending day 1 and it was wrong, I had one on Arctic day 2 and I at least realized that one was wrong, but then I ended up on Magnus’s wagon and that one was also wrong. If Wazza is town, that means my wolfreads have been incorrect all game. There’s a reason I didn’t hardpush for Wazza last EoD beyond “I didn’t think it would succeed,” and the reason is “I wasn’t confident enough in that one being a hit, either.” I’m not going to pretend I wasn’t ~fine with the Magnus wagon or else I would’ve tried harder to stop it. I had a moment of “if this is town then we are screwed” at EoD there, but it was too late, anyway, and at that point, I wanted to see the flip. Maybe it really is Squirrel+2 and Arctic miscleared him, I’m trying to figure that out.
Normally, the reason I’m constantly wrong would be because I miscleared someone, but like… my top two townreads have been Arctic and guava. I’m reading guava’s ISO and it looks towny as hell to me, I can’t see it if they’re mafia, I need a second opinion there. I’m going to read Flygon’s next, but I can already say ahead of time that the only way he’s mafia is if he’s powerwolf supreme and managed to portay an ego-filled Town Savior Mindset:tm: very convincingly, which I would honestly be impressed by. I don’t know how well he’s been playing as the mafia alignment recently, but yeah.
didn’t work for some reason, L.
Flygon and guava.
I find it really hard to see all this from a wolf, especially the bolded toward Flygon.
The biggest thing I take issue with is that they’ve said I’m a wolf a couple of times, but I don’t think they ever ISO’d me. That’s not even a major point, though, and could be town laziness.
If I take my townreads on Flygon and Guava as “always correct,” (I really can’t see either of them being wolves, somebody would have to convince me of that) and I take Kanave’s claim at face value, I’m at Wazza/NP/Squirrel/Ashlyn containing 3 wolves. If I also choose to trust Arctic’s metaread on Squirrel, the team is exactly Wazza/NP/Ashlyn.
And that kind of… makes sense? NP has been trying to push guava, who I think has been consistently towny, while Ashlyn has banged her head against Kanave. She did drop the Kanave push, but regardless. Wazza’s two wolfreads yesterday were on Squirrel and Arctic, two players who are town in this world (and yes, I know I had those reads myself, shut up), and:
Note how despite Arctic flipping town, validating his Squirrel metaread, this isn’t a consideration at all and Wazza maintains Squirrel while throwing me into the mix, probably knowing that I’m naturally going to catch suspicion. The argument about me “pressuring votes away from Squirrel” is uncharitable at best, Arctic gave a convincing metaread on Squirrel that nobody could disprove and Squirrel has been everybody’s favorite push. Of course I’m going to feel suspicious about “favorite pushes” when they’ve been flipping town this game.
Maybe this explanation on my side is also uncharitable and Squirrel really is mafia I’m giving too much credit, but either way, I question the lack of fluidity in Wazza’s reads. Arctic flipped town and she just substituted him for me while maintaining Squirrel, even though Arctic townread Squirrel. This is also MyLo and re-evaluation is necessary, but she outright refuses to really evaluate, claiming that the other wolf could “be anyone”:
I think there’s a decent chance this is a V/V list and Wazza is giving it because one ML in that grouping wins the wolves the game. I’m still going to ISO everyone individually, but given the reads I have right now and Kanave’s PR claim… yeah.
I keep being like “oh I’ll ISO Vulgard” and then I ISO someone else instead and I get tired of reading posts 
I did it with Arctic, Squirrel and Ashlyn (though tbf Ashlyn’s wasn’t a full ISO I was just grabbing posts for a read (that I dropped within an hour))
If I don’t, then Squirrel worlds open up.
I want to preemptively remove Wazza/Squirrel from the equation. Wazza would be a bussing 9-poster in that world. I think that’s extremely silly to do for a wolfteam. Squirrel has barely even talked back to Wazza, this wouldn’t even work. (I guess since I am saying this, it would work, but I really doubt they adopt this strategy.)
This means Wazza can only be with NP and Ashlyn both, unless I’m wrong on Guava/Flygon or Kanave isn’t actually a town PR. I feel like if I’m wrong on even one of these, then we’ve already lost the game, but regardless, I’m assuming these are correct assumptions at the moment.
Wazza/NP/Ashlyn - explained above.
Squirrel/NP/Ashlyn - don’t see why this wouldn’t work, either.
Uh… that’s it. So NP and Ashlyn are always wolves and then the final wolf is between Wazza and Squirrel.
This doesn’t seem that unlikely to me. Please discuss this.
With Ashlyn now on board with voting me I think the idea of an NP/Ashlyn world has some merit, especially from a perspective where Vulgard is always town
Clearing Wazza/Squirrel here for me is a matter of Arctic’s metaread on Squirrel vs me feeling vaguely good about Dum on day 1. I think the Squirrel read is a stronger point.
@Wazza @Squirrel2412 @NinjaPenguin @Ashlyn
If this is wrong. Especially the final two I pinged.
Give your worlds of three.
Yes, it’s in the section below
The issue is if you look back in their posts, they had a point in time where they could’ve at least made a read, but they didn’t, they just kept calling people town which just didn’t make any sense to me as well, there was no scumreads. Thanks for also not pointing out the actual mistake I made when I stated they were in the thread numerous times when they weren’t, that was just me being stupid and misreading times.
Also my current issue is the fact they have me as bottom of the barrel, their main scumread despite townreading me D2 until I posted about how I scumread them, from then they didn’t make any sort of interaction with me and instead at the EOD stated to Vulgard they were fine to vote me and then today coming in with me as their main scum with no elaboration ever. They physically do not have reads.
I have the smallest ISO out of everyone
Would you like me to say “Vulgard, you’re shit at playing when it comes to EOD” instead? Like what more do you want from me, your EOD was atrociously bad 2 days on a run now and considering you’re a good player, I don’t think this can be a mistake that just repeats itself over and over again, you’re the slot that focused heavily on Squirrel yesterday
Also yes, I made it quite clear how I feel on Arctic, I hated his EOD and then I hated the fact he flipped town because I was confident he was scum and that validated it further. I don’t know what you’re trying to pull at but it’s really making me feel you’re trying to get a read on me that just isn’t there.
yes
that’s what happens when you have someone you believe mafia die and you have another scumread alive.
If Arctic lived I would’ve called you and Arctic W/W and been more confident on that than my Squirrel read, if you would like to know.
You can’t say there’s a lack of fluidity in my reads when I literally mentioned the fact I disliked Arctics posting because he flipped town in the end and then maintaining a read on Squirrel, that’s not a lack of fluidity that’s literally progression on my reads and where it has ended up now.
I’m going to look for it anyway as I’ve seen nothing on a PR claim atp but that’s probably because I’m responding to quotes first.
you literally quoted a post where I told you I don’t know who a 3rd could be
Alright, I don’t like the fact everyone’s treating me as if Dum wasn’t in this slot before me, it’s like there were no reads on them at all and it’s a cleanstate which…urks me to say the least, idc too much about what the reads were, it just majorly feels like everyone’s decided to ignore their existence when it comes to reading me, I’ve not seen a single person have a read on Dum beforehand.
Yeah it’s like that’s basically where everyone else is at it.
It being Squirrel/Guava and then Vulgard.
Even though I townread Vulgard throughout the game I can’t help but to look at how he treated both of those slots and question it.
Flygon
Also I take it since everyone checked in you all claim VT?
Yeah the more I read Wazza the more I just think he’s town.
I definitely vibe with Ashlyn and got Townie vibes from them.
I’m actually at Squirrel/Vulgard and one of Penguin/Guava cause I can’t help but to think that if Vulgard is a wolf he might be using Guava when his partner is actually Penguin.
I really just wanna vote Squirrel here, I have high intent on doing so tbh.
Flygon
Mmmmmm
Yeah that makes more sense
NP/Vulgard/Squirrel.
We should vote Squirrel here.
@Ashlyn vote Squirrel over Gua please.
There weren’t, Dum actively refused to play the game.
With that post Vulgard shoves it with their partner is always wolves with a town member and still putting Squirrel as their last priority despite it being MYLO.
Does Arctic read just not exist to you?
For what reason?
For what reason?
Stop it.