responding to other posts in a separate thing but just wanna point this out
I was being read as if I was in the game from D1 when in fact it was Dum, I was basically being read as not existing in D1 when I literally wasn’t there lmao
Asleep or in class or at work
It’s a thursday morning, Vulgard
Thought this was calling me a trash player for a sec lmao
I don’t see why I can be more paired with other people than anyone else.
The inactive spent vig? Over you or Vulgard (assuming one of you is town)?
oh god
I want it to be Vulgard/Flygon/NP or Vulgard/Flygon/Wazza but realistically it’s not both Vulgard and Flygon, is it? The way they’re talking to each other feels misaligned
Vulgard/Squirrel/Ashlyn or Vulgard/Squirrel/NP can actually exist. If NP is wolf their gameplay feels… like what are you doing? But it feels bad to lean towards Ashlyn when I don’t necessarily “suspect” her she’s just the only one left that fits into that slot
Flygon/Wazza … uh… literally I don’t know who the last person in that slot is
I guess it’s still one of NP and Ashlyn cuz I don’t think Flygon and Wazza are ever aligned with Squirrel and I think Vulgard is always aligned with squirrel and I think Flygon isn’t aligned with Vulgard
So Ashlyn and NP are my common denominators but it still feels wrong
The wolves are playing really well this game 
If these two are both wolves btw this feels like her urging them to claim PR
Okay but consider: it would be funny
wowee
OH okay that makes sense ty
Very cool but what here lines up with a v!you world rather than a w!you world, guava? i am genuinely trying my absolute best to try and see worlds where youre town because if im wrong on you, then we just. lose. and you were so towny earlier and all of your emotion is towny but i literally just cant look past yesterday without getting SOME sort of explanation or proof for why its scenario one rather than scenario two
and yet your post on wazza is towny because i can read the flow easily
im miserable
m i s e r a b l e
dumb read but most wolves wouldnt say this and quote that because theyd just hope id forget about the next point
my brain is trying to wifom the fuck out of itself
im going to ignore it
correct
but i was including dum’s stuff, and yet they dont really have things that randomly feel… ‘off’, you know? even if theres low content that doesnt necessarily mean its towny content
i dont know if id call wazza’s stuff towny but i dont think its scummy
youre ignoring arctics read on me being town
are we just picking and choosing things that we care about from dead people now
this feels so genuine but it still makes me mad because of the superiority bs
which people, specifically?
this is
vulgards only point against me for thinking im a wolf
@Vulgard I want a straight answer from you: Do you actually think I’m a wolf? Or do you specifically just not think I’m town?
because there’s essentially zero fucking reason to scumread me here and I’m split on whether you’re throwing the game to preserve your funny little reads so you can have some sense of ego retention because you’re trying to make up for being wrong the past two days or if you’re just lumping me in as a de facto mislynch that you think’ll come down the line
i dont know why but i hate this phrasing
whyd you specifically say it in a way that reinforced that you’re v rather than just saying “i think squirrel is town, so…”
is this nitpicking? maybe. do i care? … also maybe. whatever.
do
do you disagree that your eod2 vote on me was absolutely horrible
because it was
thats just an objective fact
im confident on guava/squirrel
im not confident on a third and im not just going to make up a read that’ll just be taken out of context and potentially used against town if i die just to appease you
Appreciate. Good post.
am aware
im
not super against it
especially considering
screaming
but like i would still prefer guava but i think im about equally confident on them?
wazzas above post on squirrel was also good and makes sense
… team might be guava/vulgard/squirrel rather than np/vulgard/squirrel, actually
it
makes sense-ish?
im trying not to go back to my eod1 wagon read aaaaaa
some memes just write themselves
i know i mentioned it above but because it deserves
it
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
pained smile
notice how never
never ever ever
have you actually wolfcased me
youre just plopping me in because i ‘work’
read me. literally just… read me.
Yes however from my PoV it can be you, squirrel and one of Penguin/Guava.
So it’s like:
Ashlyn or You HAS to be a wolf.
I think both of you can definitely be a partner with Squirrel, however at this current time I really think your behaviour towards Squirrel and how you went about both slots of Penguin and Guava, I’m now starting to actually lean more to you being the wolf here.
I don’t know what I could say to prove that to you because realistically both of those things could be true from your perspective, I just know I’m town
Bro fucking anyone 
it felt like literally no one had Wazza’s back
Do you think it was scummy or am I just an idiot? (Spoilers: it’s the latter)
Why read people when you can just say they’re scum and move on 
that’s not a scumread
flygon and guava were the ones I thought were the towniest out of that group
they still could’ve been scum, which is why I included them, but saying that I scumread flygon is a stretch
I still townleaned guava
they could’ve been a wolf, but they were less likely than magnus was fmpov
I think the biggest point of confusing regarding that list of 4 people is that I didn’t scumlean them individually
it was a group of people that varied from townlean to scumlean but that I didn’t think was pure
using that to evaluate my individual reads on each of them doesn’t work
I think you could substitute guava for np in the wazza/np/ashlyn group
so it would look like wazza/ashlyn/np or guava
that was not a townread in the slightest
that read was based off of literally one post and it was in response to np asking me for the hottest take that I had
you’re also misinterpreting the list I posted in thread
you’re at the bottom of the poe because the only towny thing I’ve seen from you was one post
versus np/guava/ashlyn who all have had multiple occasions that struck me as towny
obviously they’re not all town, but each of them could be which is why they’re above you
I’m not angry
just disappointed
if that wagon is pure then the counterwagons are also pure
wolves have 0 incentive to hop onto a town wagon at the end
ah
i see, i was thinking you were saying people would just sheep vulgard
i. dont. know.
i am literally the most open to understanding things youre telling me because im essentially not voting you today due to flygon’s vote on squirrel and if we’re both villa i need to use this time to figure it out
wat
If your town I’m sorry and I clearly played badly this game.
If your a wolf then we can still win and beat your team.
me and guava were the counterwagons
but if the magnus wagon is pure then me and guava are both town
so if the magnus wagon is pure then the counterwagons were also pure
i see
i thought you meant the people on the wagons and was just kinda staring and going “that math dont line up…”
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yeah that was a bit unclear on my part
do you see any worlds with guava/np as w/w?
ik flygon doesn’t see it but I want a second opinion
i cant see anything that makes it impossible is the best way i can phrase it
somewhat similar to what seems like vulgard’s read on me the reason theyre in the poe is because theres simply nothing that makes them towny rather than scummy
im trying to rectify that but im waiting for them to respond
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what about their interactions with each other?
do you see anything that could make them unaligned?
im not really able to play “guess who” and hunt through 1500 posts at the moment
do you have specific interactions in mind
np’s initial case on guava (579) for starters
I think there was more gimme a sec
actually
hm
@NinjaPenguin when you get a chance, could you talk to me about why you didn’t vote magnus at eod?
I’ve had you both as town since D1, posted fairly substantive things about it yday
As of now? it’s time for me to reevaluate because I don’t have a world of three that I think works and so I need to do a lot of stuff I’ll get back to you on that later
Because I was on the wagon I wanted to die the most
As I said then I was fine with Magnus but it was not the wagon I wanted and my vote wasn’t necessary, if votes were shifting towards a non-Guava I would’ve voted Magnus
Now then it’s time to reeval
So I just wasted an hour that I really didn’t have to waste and I’ve been spinning my wheels rereading things but I want to start by talking about EoD1 so let’s do that
Things that stand out:
Flygon and Vulgard are both on the Shending train but let it die in favor of Eliza for what feels like very little? Like Flygon mentioning the CFDs he wanted to me never mentioned Shending and Vulgard while keeping his vote there didn’t actually push it aggressively his main stance was more “not Flygon”
Squirrel is a wagon that happens but is never discussed and never feels like it’s in actual contention. Only person to comment on that is Vulgard who gives a really wishywashy statement that feels inconsistent with his actual actions (which don’t have any interest in actually killing Squirrel) which is very w/w feeling.
Guava/Flygon is never a team. Ever.
Squirrel/Dum are AWOL, Ashlyn only matters in voting Eliza over Flygon
Flygon feels so entirely desperate and alone throughout this EoD and clearly thinking he’s going to die. In the world where Flygon is scum and teamed with Vulgard his last teammate is exactly Squirrel because Vulgard could have just wagoned there and he did not (this team is so wtf in the context of today’s events I’m going to throw it out). This means the Flygon scum world is 2 out of the 3 of Squirrel/Wazza/Ashlyn which means teammates were just AWOL (or AWOL until the last moment) and that’s why he was scared, which is a weh conclusion but wtv. In other news Flygon has been still townie af so this means nothing
So tl;dr rereading this made me really like the idea of a Vulgard/Squirrel team
I guess initial question is how much does this interface with the idea of them being teamed with Guava
And Vulgard is compatible with Guava in a powerwolf world (they sorta played opposite sides on D1 while mutually protecting eachother, on D2 Vulgard shut down all attempts for me to make Guava a wagon). I still think that interaction with Squirrel/Guava are weird from scum but if Squirrel is scum at all he’s clearly able to fake solvyness (but also his ISO made me really like him yday for exactly that solvyness)? That team does explain EoD yesterday really well but weh it doesn’t feel as perfect as I’d like it to can someone else give me thoughts on if the Squirrel/Guava stuff feels fakeable?
In other news me being so busy has meant I’ve dropped the overwhelming feeling in my mind that Guava is scum which probably means I can look at their ISO without being in tunnel mindset and see if I was going in the right direction. Gtg for now but going to try to look back over that and some areas I haven’t considered tonight and try to find my best reasons for and against every player being town
Okay I’m back and nobody has posted lol
Think I’m going to start back up by looking at Guava again
…and honestly I have one big question which is why does wolf Guava not just try to murder me? Like it’s actually free they have at least two townies at one point expressing suspicions (Arctic and Magnus), they have no reason to fear me exposing them because I’m already going at light speed at them
My reaction to them asking me questions in the face of my push was that they were trying to deflect me but it clearly was not working
And their approach to today feels right like they’ve got nuance they’re not just gearing to push the person that if you looking at yesterday seemed like he’d snapvote them
Like I look at this ISO and Guava feels like they’re doing things that are so ridiculous for townies to do but yet they own it it’s not some inconsistent persona
It still doesn’t feel right for me to call Guava town. There’s still that sinking feeling in my gut but to unequivocally call them scum feels wrong too and I hate that I’m doubting myself but I’m not going to be the player who throws away the game on my vanity tunnel but I’m also not going to be the player who throws away the game by not trusting himself ahhhhhhhhh If we’re town and I find them I think we can just win the game. But if they’re scum I just singlehandedly screw up all of the work I’ve done this game and hate myself afterwards and I don’t know if I can live with that mistake
That was a longwinded way to say basically nothing but I guess all of this is to say @guavagudetama let’s talk. I don’t know if you’re town or not but if you are I will do everything I can to find you