About that: do you think it’s generally competitor behavior to townread people suspecting you? This isn’t a loaded question.
In the context that I’m a viable suspect, he could have easily omgus’d me especially since I think my own reasons for suspecting him were bad. Literally ‘I don’t remember his posts’ I don’t think it’s neccessarily protown to townread people suspecting you as it has mixed results depending on the scumreadder’s actual alignment but would call it anti-wolf.
It’s different if person suspecting him was someone widely townread because he wouldn’t have the leverage to omgus
Hm… okay, I think I get what you’re saying.
Do you still think Atlas is town?
Votecount
Rune (3): Era, Luna, Dubu
Drekar (1): Juno
Juno (1): Drekar
Atlas_OS (1): Rune
Not Voting (4): Ai.Mi, Atlas_OS, Estelle, X
I do. and if I tinfoil anyone it’s estelle tbh
@ X do you have anything of a poe?
It’s fine if not, I’m not asking you to force reads, I’m trying to get a bead on where your head’s at
Why is that?
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For the person who said I was more deflated today they aren’t reading my posts.
I am less present because I have real life that I have stated in the past.
I have less than an hour right now but I will try to crack something out.
I don’t think anybody said that? Maybe I forgot.
The reason that I found Drek’ar town:
#32 #36 #42 #45 #47 #54 #56 #62 #64 #65
Here you have a collage of Drek’ar enjoying himself, obviously generally fooling around, and not taking anything in the thread too seriously. Simple opening stuff that isn’t town indicative as a whole, but sets the framework. We are looking at a player who is not caring a lot about the game yet, and throwing things around with no real intent to solve or control the flow of the thread.
Luna comes in and sees this, and that Luna/Atlas are the two names he’s fingered while fucking around, and he immediately attacks. I do not fault her for the move, but I had already clearly filed away his initial advances as being tomfoolery and I would read him later.
Then we have the pièce de résistance:
#71
This post is very amusing to me still as I immediately read it as a humour-based method to start pointing fingers. This is still the most serious we’ve seen Drek’ar so far. (It is not that serious.) It is taken as a serious take very quickly but part of the reason I read Drek’ar as a town around this point is purely the obvious amusement/humour he takes from the situation.
He’s not seriously trying to reverse being sussed, he’s instead having fun with it. This is not traditional saboteur play.
Then Drek’ar has a note of seriousness when Luna engages him, obviously not actually holding down a Luna scumread to his heart:
#81
This is what I had already stated for Era, reactive, not actively stirring. He correctly states that it’s far from a sealed case, but acknowledges it all the same.
#83
Then immediately has the exact same reaction as me at Ai.Mi’s odd question.
#84
(This is, in my mind, confirmation that most of the earlier content was tongue-in-cheek.)
#173
This is the second real solving post of Drek’ar, inquisitive in an accurate way and picking up on some things I hadn’t properly thought about. To be honest I gave this post too little credence early on but it’s quite possible Drek was onto something with this.
#189
Shows indignance at his own words being misconstrued, and immediately states the suspicion from that but acknowledges he needs to consider the cause.
#192
Doesn’t hold his own town reads to be so important as to ignore points, and after consideration of the post that made him angry, acknowledges the points.
This kind of awareness and reflection aren’t things often imitated by saboteurs because they’re not even widely town read and people often have to put effort into imitating it in a realistic fashion.
#196
Excitement to be voted in this specific situation is, amusingly enough, something I find somewhat competitor-like.
#205
GTH’s Era as a competitor, as seen in previous posts. This is just a culmination of previous points, easily enough done.
#209
Then a scant 4 posts later, hard reverses. This is perhaps the most competitor-like post in this entire thread. Drek’ar has shown the constant process in their reads and then ruins it all over a figure that is being defended. And also against thread flow when there wasn’t a target to “protect”?
This shows a complete lack of care about perception. Drek’ar doesn’t need to know if people follow his reads, nor does he need people to believe. He’s inputting his raw reactions to his reads and showing a process that is so very like a competitor that I cannot see otherwise.
It would take a high high-level saboteur to effectively fake this. And more importantly, it would take a saboteur that had already worked out that someone in the crowd was watching for that exact sort of competitor action. This isn’t something a lot of players look for, which is why saboteurs don’t traditionally try to force it unless they’re specifically aware of their audience.
Were they aware of their audience here? Unlikely.
For the rest of D1 they grill/attack Era a lot, dislike the Kai wagon (which I understand their reasoning for), and proceed to press for Juno. They have a stated town read on Rune.
None of this breaks the understanding I have built of their character, nor my appreciation for the flow of how they’re playing this League.
Their lack of shot I do dislike, but despite disagreeing on the mech here I can see what they’re trying to say and what they were trying to do. I do believe that fear of an unused shot is definitely pressure for saboteurs that has no other way of existing.
Also, N1 is both the best and worst as there are more incorrect targets to hit.
I did not believe Drek’ar is saboteur then.
I do not believe Drek’ar is saboteur now.
This also returns to how Drek’ar said I had never elaborated on my read and I told him that no one had pushed him yet so I had no need to.
Now people are actively suspecting him so I am showing everyone exactly why I disagree.
I am back and I took time to reread some stuff. I believe that if Rune is a wolf, there’s a wolf in between Juno/Dresk’ar. The reason for this is because I do not see a good reason for Rune to start pushing atlas there if both Juno/Dres’ar were town - it would be far more effective to put your efforts into focusing on those slots to warp the day around them.
I’m going to spend some time going back through my town reads and making sure they are accurate before we proceed. Hopefully Kai was a dissenter, but if they weren’t, that means we are two town executions away from losing the game if we don’t stop it somehow. I think everyone knows the seriousness of what that means.
I am penning down at this point that there are multiple things I am finding odd about Era again, and I am perhaps wondering if I miscleared them after the response to my initial push.
I believe that if it is so then Era is specifically the EVEN NIGHT saboteur as I don’t believe Era ever chooses to remove Juliette from the League at this stage.
Juliette also hosted a strong competitor read on Era, which I will take into account.
I find that Rune/Era are explicitly not together.
I maintain my Luna townread and I am coming to believe Juno is also competitor, but I am not thoroughly convinced.
I will try to do a reread later of Ai.mi/X/rune as I think there is definitely a saboteur in there.
I also may be tunnelled on Estelle which is part of why I keep giving them space, but I need to commit to one way or another there and actually case why I believe that to be the case.
In fact I am confident in stating that:
{Rune/Ai.Mi/X/Estelle} guaranteed contains the Odd Night Saboteur.
I am also tempted to remove Rune from that subset but I want to be sure before jumping that gun. It would require specifically that Rune as saboteur decided to aggressively challenge the status quo.
Which is not nearly impossible enough for me to rule it out, but something rings wrong in my gut.