this is exactly what i’m thinking except i have you instead of myself for obvious reasons
i think you really are town
Hi. I woke up very late and I have stuff to do today but either Nokiel/Kanave contains a wolf or it’s Vulgard + Eliza I think.
Arctic is town and I knew this from hour one D1 but I kept doubting myself about it that’s my fault. I wanted to explain away his behavior as a wolf doing something weird on purpose but it is pretty blatantly genuine and if he has this level of awareness of his town mindset as wolf he was just not employing it at all in B&F and I’m happy to let my reads sit on a foundation of “people don’t throw”.
Lemon’s been townie all game and had absolutely no motivation to argue so hard for Kanave’s execution as scum unless she’s wolf with Nokiel and was trying to funnel all counterwagon energy toward Kanave instead. If Nokiel is V then Lemon is probably town.
Vulgard is a weird slot and his wolfgame is too good for me to estimate him properly but I’ve seen from both sides him W/W with Eliza. I think that if Eliza is V I would probably place him in the clear enough pile but I have lost games to exactly having bad partnership reads on Vulgard so I don’t want to commit to it.
Eliza has been the definition of just barely UTR and I think her being wolf with Vulgard would explain why the votes and kills have been Like This. I feel like her opinions have gone very ignored except for D1 Aelin and either it’s because she’s right and being discounted or wolf.
Kanave has not many posts but from what she does have I see an undue focus on both Eliza (early on) and Nokiel. I think her slot is the one I understand the least and want to see the most pressure on at the moment, I want her to commit to some arguments. VOTE: Kanave
Nokiel all of my reads just slide off of and I think that’s evidence of newbie wolf behavior. However I can’t find any particular partnerships from her end and I’d like to hear what her voters think the follow-up is on her wolf flip.
Ok thanks now I have to go explode. Bye
i am not sure about kanave being wolfy. the only reasons you gave just say that she is hyper focusing on nokiel and eliza and you dont understand their standpoint. we dont see her too much because they are busy i believe
i feel like now the rest will follow and vote kanave since there are 3 votes already which could end up in another town player vote out. but its fine because i dont have strong a reasoning to prove she is towny
Fuck I thought the two votes were on Nokiel for some reason. I’ll unvote for now yea
UNVOTE
This is the first public evidence of something I have been unconsciously doing all game: confusing Kanave and Nokiel. Because of the shared letter. It’s the sharpest letter in both names so it draws my attention
oh rip
I thought Kanave and Jar were scum together 
(btw I’m back)
oh no never mind I have to leave
catch up when I get back
i mean
you need to prioritise solving the game, and you can’t really do that if you’re too scared to make pushes on stronger players if you believe they could be wolves
normally i’d say this is pretty blatant wolf perspective but an inexperienced villager last game had a similar mindset to you, so eh
i’m well aware we’ve been saying the same thing, it’s why initially i felt validated in my pushes of players like beancat but after we’ve missed twice in a row while sharing this poe i’m beginning to have my doubts and concerns that i’m being led astray by him but i don’t know if i’m actually going to act on them
maybe, but i feel like the poisons on you and whysper are pretty smart by the wolves because they say very little about the game, since both of you were mostly consensus town and neither have much influence on the game. it’s making it hard for me to gauge how correct i am currently, but i do have an underlying gut feeling that the level 0 assumption that wolves are in stronger players may just be correct
incorrect usage of meme – this is for when wolves say they would have done it as town, not when town say they would have done it as a wolf
pocket denied
it’s not impossible. but i feel like lemon is maybe more likely than vulgard as far as how villagery each player has been.
actually, i remember at the start of the game vulgard asked eliza to vote me with him, that’s probably not w/w?
well now i’m going to have to put in extra effort into shaking up my wolf meta. if you’re town then you’ve done a pretty good job making reading me look like a cakewalk and i don’t like it
i would also say sometimes it’s not about whether i can or can’t put on a town mindset as a wolf… it’s more about whether or not i want to. you have to consider that my objective is to miseliminate X villagers as a wolf, and i often prefer to go about this in a way that puts me in the limelight instead of my teammates because i trust myself more to weasel my way out of dying. obviously i try to get townread to an extent but it’s not really my main objective. as town i actually have to, uh, solve the game and this probably comes across in my lessened confidence and the way that i’m not trying to force through certain kills because i don’t know what is the correct play to benefit my team
this is what i was thinking about earlier when i expected lemon to get poisoned, because her eod was villagery regardless of nokiel’s alignment imo. lemon did a similar thing as town last game on day 2 when the counterwagon (me) was actually a wolf, so even if nokiel is a wolf i don’t think trying to cfd makes sense here for wolf lemon, because the easy solution is to just let town beancat die and trying to get people to move around could have caused split wagons and resulted in a wolf!nokiel dying. and if nokiel is town, trying to cfd a third player with v/v wagons is again weird for a wolf to do when it would get them suspected the next day if kanave is town, and… it could technically be a buss if kanave is a wolf but this is a really dumb world i don’t really want to believe
could you elaborate on these points
this usually comes from town
(i did the same thing yesterday lol)
i want to see if may can sell me on eliza/vulgard being w/w because if not then i think kanave is just a wolf because i think lemonfairy is town again and the only world that makes sense with my current reads where kanave is town is eliza/vulgard w/w but that partnership feels weird to me
eliza talking to or about vulgard
Summary
vulgard talking to or about eliza
Summary
(…okay i would be extremely surprised if this post in particular was w/w lol)
(including this one because it’s funny)
without actually elaborating on anything because i’m too tired to do this right now
i don’t really think this is w/w
some posts today do kind of indicate that way
but overall not really
especially the “eliza why are you always so wolfy” post
eliza’s posts generally look more w/w than the other way around tbh
especially the random suspicion for “robotic tone” kind of out of nowhere when vulgard was getting more pressure. they have a long fluff conversation at this point which i can’t really make heads or tails of despite its awkwardness
regardless i think vulgard poking eliza to join him on my wagon, and the “why are you always so wolfy post” strongly unalign these two imo. vulgard’s posts about eliza today are a bit concerning but idk i don’t think it outweighs this