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#1181

vulgard’s vote is like, exactly what he would do as a wolf there, but i don’t think it makes more him more likely to be a wolf (unless i use that weird math thing arete was using to suspect me for killing magnus last game)
it’s not something he can’t do as town, but i can’t townread him from it because an aelin miselim is clearly better than a beancat elimination for wolf vulgard

i think lemon probably looks the worst here just from how they handled their suspicion of aelin (i haven’t fact checked this yet but i remember people calling them out for just reading into aelin’s posts after the may case).

eliza is a similar situation to vulgard where it’s the most optimal vote for a wolf!them to make, since aelin was suspecting eliza and the wagon on me wasn’t really happening. so as much as i want to award her credit for the full on case she made against aelin despite the wagons being v/v/v and it not technically being necessary for wolf!her to do, i don’t think i really can because an aelin kill was the best for wolf her there. shrug

nokiel voted beancat for pressure when this was the votecount:

ElizaThePsycho (1): May
Kanave (1): Vulgard
beancat (1): Arctic
Arctic (1): ElizaThePsycho

Not Voting (7): Aelin, beancat, Jar, Kanave, Lemonfairy, Nokiel, Whysper

and they disappeared for the rest of the day after this, so i can’t really read into it much. you could make an argument that if they knew they weren’t going to come back before eod, it would have made more sense to vote someone they actually scumread rather than just a pressure vote, but they did say they would “sheep a little” so idk

and kanave’s vote, despite their explanation, is still just plain ass and there’s no sugar-coating it lol. the wagons are v/v/v, they don’t give a fuck about trying to solve the people who are in contention for dying, they say their vote “doesn’t matter” despite their vote potentially making the difference between aelin/beancat dying, and they waste it by voting me for “weird posts early in the game” (from their explanation on day 2).

so ultimately, i still think kanave is a wolf from this. i think lemon is more likely to be a wolf than i’ve been previously considering, and i’ll probably look over her eod in more detail. everyone else is just kinda meh, except may who i think is more likely to be town (but she was already my top town before this lol)

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#1182

as in, worst of the people voting aelin

kanave overall still seems worse

#1183

Morning,

Jar’s poisoning is an odd choice. I really feel like scum is trying to make town implode between high-posters.

My town right now contains everyone except Kanave, Eliza and Vul.

Kanave is the one I Scumread most, Eliza is Scumlean and Vul is more nulltown/null.

VOTE: Kanave

I don’t think I’m changing my mind on the ones I TR, most of them seem like they’re too focused on solving to wolfread (pushing the game faster than I think a wolf would be comfortable).

Although, I just checked May’s ISO. It seems like they’re pushing to solve, but the attitude of falling into pitfalls could also be used to cover a wolf agenda where May makes a case on a player and just vanishes. May has also been on both ml wagons. (Actually, so have I…) might be a moot point in the end.

Conclusion to the last paragraph. May is negotiable, but not in my scum list yet.

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#1184

i feel like as a low-poster being widely suspected by louder players, this is a particularly weird thought for you to have if you are town

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#1185

My hedginess has been to the pressure and you asked for hard stances, I’m trying to stop hedging and have opinions, regardless of pressure.

Tbh, I thought I was going over when I went to bed yesterday. Because of how bad my indecisive hedging had gotten

#1186

i mean the two worlds im considering right now are that’s it’s literally just you and kanave or something like 2 of eliza/lemon/vulgard

so considering that louder players are pushing for you (a low-poster) and them not getting poisoned, i would have expected you to suspect primarily the louder players? projecting here slightly, but i do think the perspective is a bit weird, and might be coming from a place of TMI

#1187

I mean, I get the suspicion on louder players, but I’m not sure I find anything that I can argue in posts. I find your frustration over an unfocused town to be something that seems strange for a wolf to come up with. Others seem like I can nitpick, like May’s laxness to expectations and happening to ml twice. Vul I literally can’t remember why I find off, Imma have to find that again.

If I just lash out at high-posters as expected I feel like I’ll just get run over by more experienced players, especially considering the position I am in now.

#1188

I need to look at Lemon again and remind myself why I TR them.

#1189

ok my suspicion on you was growing until you posted this and considered vul as a potential wolf. i thought there was a high chance of you and vul being w/w since you both were saying the exact same thing, that is kanave and nokiel are wolfy

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#1190

Lemon’s questions pointed at everyone has felt like trying to collect content from others for players to analyze

They have also had their own opinions and not just stepped back afterwards without giving their input.

#1191

so who could be a wolf who is trying to kill people with not very strong opinions (me and whysper)? my only strong opinion is vul, but it could also mean they poisoned me because i voted them last time, but this is a bit obvious for a wolf to do, that is trying to get rid of people suspecting the correct wolf

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#1192

i townread lemon because they have tried to comment on everyones reads before

#1193

Was about to say that Jar’s thoughts flip-flop a lot and end with, it could be Vul, but maybe not. Then I remembered they’re IC.

I can see the TR on Lemon for participating in reads and also hanging around EoD to discuss further (and not just support the current ml wagon)

#1194

yes i no longer fear of being suspected so i can say whatever i want. my thoughts change as the game progresses but as for now my prime suspect is still vul

#1195

Kanave (2): Vulgard, Nokiel

Not Voting (6): Arctic, ElizaThePsycho, Jar, Kanave, Lemonfairy, May

Day ends 2022-12-03T04:00:00Z

#1196

there are wolves in this vc

i read ''determine" as “datamine” and i briefly wondered if you were cheating

#1197
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#1198

this is exactly what i’m thinking except i have you instead of myself for obvious reasons
i think you really are town

#1199

Hi. I woke up very late and I have stuff to do today but either Nokiel/Kanave contains a wolf or it’s Vulgard + Eliza I think.

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#1200

Arctic is town and I knew this from hour one D1 but I kept doubting myself about it that’s my fault. I wanted to explain away his behavior as a wolf doing something weird on purpose but it is pretty blatantly genuine and if he has this level of awareness of his town mindset as wolf he was just not employing it at all in B&F and I’m happy to let my reads sit on a foundation of “people don’t throw”.

Lemon’s been townie all game and had absolutely no motivation to argue so hard for Kanave’s execution as scum unless she’s wolf with Nokiel and was trying to funnel all counterwagon energy toward Kanave instead. If Nokiel is V then Lemon is probably town.

Vulgard is a weird slot and his wolfgame is too good for me to estimate him properly but I’ve seen from both sides him W/W with Eliza. I think that if Eliza is V I would probably place him in the clear enough pile but I have lost games to exactly having bad partnership reads on Vulgard so I don’t want to commit to it.

Eliza has been the definition of just barely UTR and I think her being wolf with Vulgard would explain why the votes and kills have been Like This. I feel like her opinions have gone very ignored except for D1 Aelin and either it’s because she’s right and being discounted or wolf.

Kanave has not many posts but from what she does have I see an undue focus on both Eliza (early on) and Nokiel. I think her slot is the one I understand the least and want to see the most pressure on at the moment, I want her to commit to some arguments. VOTE: Kanave

Nokiel all of my reads just slide off of and I think that’s evidence of newbie wolf behavior. However I can’t find any particular partnerships from her end and I’d like to hear what her voters think the follow-up is on her wolf flip.

Ok thanks now I have to go explode. Bye

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