Pathologic Invitational - TOWN VICTORY!!

[Lemonfairy]

because the way they treat each other is unpartnered

[Lemonfairy]

well, I’m re-evaling like I should

[Lemonfairy]

Kanave/Vul

Kanave on Vul

Vul: is this all you have after backreading? you stopped posting after that which was 4 hours ago

@Kanave

for the most part yeah, maybe im due for a pass when im less distracted but only things that stood out to me were the Eliza reads, people reading others off of meta (which i dont really know anyone here well enough to use) and i just didnt really have too much to add to all of it, which like yeah thats bad but shrug, dont want to force anything if i dont have anything

@Vulgard

lemonfairy is such an obvious villager actually holy shit

@Kanave

How so?

@Vulgard

i feel like it’s pretty obvious he’s posting to be townread and that’s why he forced out the beancat questioning, the suspicion on may, and the conversation with lemonfairy

@Kanave

I can agree with this

Vul: i don’t think that part had anything to do with their opinion about their reads, they were just weird introductions and endings that came across as them being self-conscious (and that’s why they exist)

@Kanave

Yeah im just kinda thinking about why, they look to be a newer player and i can atleast testify that i delete thoughts as a new player bc i was self concious that they were bad as town

this is to say yeah, just post things dw about how they look
I think it’ll be more productive to see what they actually post rather than worry about their prelude to them posting

@Kanave

thats exactly what i mean, it just feels… offf nbut i cant peg ethier of them ethier individually or together as scum for it i dont know why

@Vulgard

elaborate

@Kanave

could just be poor wording but “not unlikely that all wagons were villagers” is just dodging the question, they’re not taking a hard stance at all.

Vul: so i take it you think they’re mafia?

@Kanave

I’d def lean that way; its possible to read them as a towny who is really lacking confidence but at this point i’d rather them actually make a position, if they have thoughts why wouldn’t they be sharing them

@Kanave

being fully honest, i didnt fucking read thread i just saw that since it was the most recent and it was bad

@Kanave

yeah being honest ive been pacing around making excuses to myself for the past few minutes here, but no ive just not mentally been in this game at all; Ive barely read and only have vauge ideas of reads, i came into thread there and voted arctic bc i remember feeling weird about them and the stuff aroudn them potientally knowing the reaction test was a reaction test and so i just voted there because it was what required the least amount of thought. Im just going to do a full reset here, throw out everything i have and start isoing people and get a completely new set of reads because this isn’t going to work if i keep playing like this; I’ll start with Eliza bc i’ve usually read her correctly.

@Kanave

I’ve had some vague thoughts on what ive seen, maybe calling them “reads” is disingenuous though

@Kanave

i had a day to mull over my play, my own thoughts on it changed pretty heavily in that time

@Kanave

is noki vulgard a viable world

@Kanave

dont mark yourself green when trying to make me look bad for my planning ahead

@Kanave

Other than vote Eliza for possible pairigs of her and you???

@Kanave

vulgard please say sike right now

@Kanave

no, i found Eliza more scummy individually, i literally made a read list.

@Kanave

yes beacuse the world i brought up was you and Eliza, of course you’re top priority if that flips scum

@Kanave

I was asking this bc at the time that was my only possible world left where Eliza flipped town

@Kanave

its mylo executing me ever loses the game

this entire post misinterprets everything i’ve said there so poorly i genuinely struggle to see this coming from a town

Vul on Kanave

@Vulgard

is this all you have after backreading? you stopped posting after that which was 4 hours ago

@Vulgard

i don’t think that part had anything to do with their opinion about their reads, they were just weird introductions and endings that came across as them being self-conscious (and that’s why they exist)

@Vulgard

VOTE: Kanave

@Vulgard

VOTE: Kanave

Regretting my vote ending up on Aelin, she had a very towny EoD. This is why I hate EoD times.

@Vulgard

VOTE: Kanave

bouncing around

@Vulgard

yeah they aren’t w/w i think i forgot to say this in the thread
kanave always just votes aelin if they’re partners

@Vulgard

if kanave and beancat are partners i mean

@Vulgard

nah i just kinda wolfread both of them but kanave is the one not playing so a vote on them will presumably achieve more until it’s eod

@Vulgard

kanave’s content is not good
it’s just statements like this one, she isn’t solving at all

“is that ai” yes it is, i’ve seen her actually do things as town

@Vulgard

elaborate

@Vulgard

so i take it you think they’re mafia?

@Vulgard

specifically, why did you think that
i think this vote is wolfy af and points to beancat town

@Vulgard

right now i believe that if you’re town you’re playing really poorly and i honestly have higher standards for you based on what i’ve seen from town!you

@Vulgard

fwiw i’m back to thinking beancat is poe but most likely not w/w with kanave
it’s not a lock but it’s just unlikely
and i think kanave is mafia

@Vulgard

but you’ve had no reads whatsoever

@Vulgard

i find it very hard to believe that you’re present at that eod and aelin is trying not to die and arctic is trying to engage with her and instead of even trying to process the situation you place a smallbrain vote on arctic for a read you had on him that was based on his posting a long time ago

@Vulgard

it seems more likely to me you wanted to be voting and you wanted to his postmin (the latter of which you admitted) but since you didn’t care where to vote you placed the vote on the least meaningful wagon because aelin was already dying and you were ok with it (and potentially because the only alternative was beancat whom you were ok with dying as well)

i understand being uninvested as a villager but that’s a complete lack of a pulse

@Vulgard

i frankly liked kanave’s posts about eliza
when she’s actually here her content has been better recently she’s just weirdly Not Here recently when she’s typically an active player as town

@Vulgard

i think nokiel is the most towny player in the eliza/beancat/kanave/nokiel quartet and i don’t like beancat trying to get them killed now after townreading them on day 1

kanave also has a point about eliza that i somewhat agree with which is why i dropped her here

@Vulgard

i think kanave is not w/w with beancat and not w/w with eliza which would mean she has to be with nokiel but i now think nokiel is townier

@Vulgard

kanave trying to argue to arctic that eliza should be considered an exe unaligns them solidly
kanave not voting aelin on day 1 unaligns them mildly
i’m not really sure why beancat is townreading kanave now

@Vulgard

unaligns kanave and beancat mildly

@Vulgard

VOTE: Kanave

@Vulgard

i think i’m with the people saying kanave and nokiel were trying to distance and kanave’s eod vote is now confirmed to have been awful

@Vulgard

i think kanave is wolfier than nokiel so kanave it is

@Vulgard

I did actually revisit Lemonfairy some time ago, I just still found her towny, as noted in my legacy post before we killed beancat. I barely made an effort to solve the game yesterday because I thought Kanave would just die and I was fine with it.

@Vulgard

I thought Kanave was dead yesterday for sure when I left the thread.

@Vulgard

I don’t actually feel like this is all that towny, especially not as towny as Lemonfairy said it was, but I might be missing something.

@Vulgard

It might actually just be May/Kanave then.

@Vulgard

That said, it is a very convenient distraction from solving Kanave. May has been trying to steer the execution away from Kanave for the entire game and is still doing it now, I find it really weird. Never the top priority.

@Vulgard

This feels somewhat similar to the Kanave thing but I see the bolded parts as TMI on Lemon being town if I read these posts from the POV of May being a wolf.

@Vulgard

I feel like it’s Kanave/May or Nokiel +1. I don’t think May is with Lemon (as just explained) or with Nokiel (also as just explained). I don’t think Lemonfairy is with Kanave (as just explained) or with May (as explained through May).

It can be Nokiel/Lemon or Nokiel/Kanave. Or, well, as I just said, Kanave/May.

@Vulgard

When reading Kanave’s posts about Nokiel, I thought she was trying to get Nokiel MLed, but later I noticed a pattern that makes me think it’s actually hard distancing / maybe bussing. The one time she talks to Nokiel directly, it’s her writing a post that’ll make her look better if Nokiel flips mafia. She writes a lot of posts about Nokiel being wolfy and a wolf but both times she she has the chance to kill them at EoD and doesn’t.

@Vulgard

Noting that Nokiel actually starts pushing on Kanave when Kanave pushes them on day 3, but come today, Nokiel’s townreading Kanave as if nothing happened. And yesterday, Kanave didn’t argue to vote out Nokiel when it mattered, despite actually having the chance to kill Nokiel. In fact, she argued in Nokiel’s defense in a roundabout way and randomly punted Eliza.

This is why I need an extra pair of eyes, it just feels like they’re trying to kill each other but not really.

@Vulgard

This post TMIs themself wolf, this post TMIs themself wolf, Kanave has several posts that look like they are TMIng Nokiel wolf. The fact they put Kanave here is potentially significant because it implies Kanave was the “last” townread, which, going by straight TMI… well…

@Vulgard

This is the post I felt Kanave wrote for the express purpose of making herself look good after Nokiel’s flip. She does absolutely nothing with this line of inquiry later on.

@Vulgard

I felt like that came out of the blue given Kanave’s anti-Nokiel rhetoric that came during the same day phase.

@Vulgard

Kanave, I read your response fwiw.

@Vulgard

Admittedly the Kanave/Nokiel thing can be read that way, but that is why I’m trying to be open to other possibilities.

@Vulgard

Now you get to the question “why would Kanave/Nokiel poison like this,” and my answer is that they really had no other choice. Poisoning someone like me who’s wanted to get them killed for most of the game would just, well, get them killed. Poisoning the few remaining ML targets such as Eliza and beancat would also be bad, because it removes them from the ML pool, and makes a wolf more likely to be yeeted. Who’s left? The in-between. People who won’t be MLed for the foreseeable future, but who also will not kill wolves when poisoned, given their current reads and position in the game. Whysper and Jar fit that category perfectly.

@Vulgard

VOTE: Kanave

this is unpaired overall
fairly ok on this

[Lemonfairy]

full list of worlds are:
Nokiel/Kanave
Nokiel/Vul
Nokiel/May
Kanave/Vul
Kanave/May
Vul/May

[Lemonfairy]

I think the Kanave/May world is probably the least likely out of the 3 remaining that are possible
so VOTE: Nokiel

[Host_Account_1]

Lemonfairy (2): Arctic, Nokiel
Kanave (1): Vulgard
Vulgard (1): May
Nokiel (1): Lemonfairy

Not Voting (1): Kanave

Majority is 4. Day ends 2022-12-05T04:00:00Z

[Arctic]

@May

I can’t really see anyone else Lemon’s partnered with

that’s the cool thing

you/lemon still works

[May]

Oh shit I didn’t think of that better check my rolecard

[May]

I looked. Good news

[Arctic]

oh yeah i mainly said that to explain why i’m not voting vulgard

[Lemonfairy]

literally I’m so mad
Arctic is just there being wrong and meta reading me from one game and Nokiel is just sheeping them like it’s nobody’s business and no one has even called them out on it

Vul said something about being ok with me going over after hard townreading me the entire game and parked on Kanave

May is on Vul but they’ll probably jump onto me last minute

Kanave hasn’t voted and I’m scared they’re just going to sheep Arctic like Nokiel did

[Lemonfairy]

I bet Arctic has not even bothered to read the other games I linked

[Lemonfairy]

and we’re going to lose from freaking bad meta

[Nokiel]

Hi, woke up in the early morning for no reason

[Lemonfairy]

hi, are you scum or are going to actually try and solve
or even try to look like solving is ok

[Lemonfairy]

my expectations lower every day

[Nokiel]

Presently reading your ISO on mobile, brb

[Lemonfairy]

ok

[Lemonfairy]

hmmmm

[Nokiel]

Well, I was a bit surprised at first from how much changed, your frustration, the solves that were just quotes, but I can kind of see the progression…? From me kind of just not for this day phase and admittedly putting less effort on D3 and May Kanave doing similarly to feeling like sheeping but being forced out of it through pressure.