Pathologic Invitational - TOWN VICTORY!!

[Jar]

i guess il be sticking to what i think
VOTE: Vulgard

[Jar]

@May

Kanave has not many posts but from what she does have I see an undue focus on both Eliza (early on) and Nokiel. I think her slot is the one I understand the least and want to see the most pressure on at the moment, I want her to commit to some arguments.

i am not sure about kanave being wolfy. the only reasons you gave just say that she is hyper focusing on nokiel and eliza and you dont understand their standpoint. we dont see her too much because they are busy i believe

[Jar]

i feel like now the rest will follow and vote kanave since there are 3 votes already which could end up in another town player vote out. but its fine because i dont have strong a reasoning to prove she is towny

[May]

Fuck I thought the two votes were on Nokiel for some reason. I’ll unvote for now yea

UNVOTE

[May]

This is the first public evidence of something I have been unconsciously doing all game: confusing Kanave and Nokiel. Because of the shared letter. It’s the sharpest letter in both names so it draws my attention

[Lemonfairy]

oh rip
I thought Kanave and Jar were scum together

[Lemonfairy]

(btw I’m back)

[Lemonfairy]

oh no never mind I have to leave
catch up when I get back

[Arctic]

@Nokiel

If I just lash out at high-posters as expected I feel like I’ll just get run over by more experienced players, especially considering the position I am in now.

i mean
you need to prioritise solving the game, and you can’t really do that if you’re too scared to make pushes on stronger players if you believe they could be wolves
normally i’d say this is pretty blatant wolf perspective but an inexperienced villager last game had a similar mindset to you, so eh

@Jar

ok my suspicion on you was growing until you posted this and considered vul as a potential wolf. i thought there was a high chance of you and vul being w/w since you both were saying the exact same thing, that is kanave and nokiel are wolfy

i’m well aware we’ve been saying the same thing, it’s why initially i felt validated in my pushes of players like beancat but after we’ve missed twice in a row while sharing this poe i’m beginning to have my doubts and concerns that i’m being led astray by him but i don’t know if i’m actually going to act on them

@Jar

so who could be a wolf who is trying to kill people with not very strong opinions (me and whysper)? my only strong opinion is vul, but it could also mean they poisoned me because i voted them last time, but this is a bit obvious for a wolf to do, that is trying to get rid of people suspecting the correct wolf

maybe, but i feel like the poisons on you and whysper are pretty smart by the wolves because they say very little about the game, since both of you were mostly consensus town and neither have much influence on the game. it’s making it hard for me to gauge how correct i am currently, but i do have an underlying gut feeling that the level 0 assumption that wolves are in stronger players may just be correct

[Arctic]

incorrect usage of meme – this is for when wolves say they would have done it as town, not when town say they would have done it as a wolf

[Arctic]

@Vulgard

i think you really are town

pocket denied

@May

Hi. I woke up very late and I have stuff to do today but either Nokiel/Kanave contains a wolf or it’s Vulgard + Eliza I think.

it’s not impossible. but i feel like lemon is maybe more likely than vulgard as far as how villagery each player has been.

actually, i remember at the start of the game vulgard asked eliza to vote me with him, that’s probably not w/w?

[Arctic]

@May

Arctic is town and I knew this from hour one D1 but I kept doubting myself about it that’s my fault. I wanted to explain away his behavior as a wolf doing something weird on purpose but it is pretty blatantly genuine and if he has this level of awareness of his town mindset as wolf he was just not employing it at all in B&F and I’m happy to let my reads sit on a foundation of “people don’t throw”.

well now i’m going to have to put in extra effort into shaking up my wolf meta. if you’re town then you’ve done a pretty good job making reading me look like a cakewalk and i don’t like it

i would also say sometimes it’s not about whether i can or can’t put on a town mindset as a wolf… it’s more about whether or not i want to. you have to consider that my objective is to miseliminate X villagers as a wolf, and i often prefer to go about this in a way that puts me in the limelight instead of my teammates because i trust myself more to weasel my way out of dying. obviously i try to get townread to an extent but it’s not really my main objective. as town i actually have to, uh, solve the game and this probably comes across in my lessened confidence and the way that i’m not trying to force through certain kills because i don’t know what is the correct play to benefit my team

@May

Lemon’s been townie all game and had absolutely no motivation to argue so hard for Kanave’s execution as scum unless she’s wolf with Nokiel and was trying to funnel all counterwagon energy toward Kanave instead. If Nokiel is V then Lemon is probably town.

this is what i was thinking about earlier when i expected lemon to get poisoned, because her eod was villagery regardless of nokiel’s alignment imo. lemon did a similar thing as town last game on day 2 when the counterwagon (me) was actually a wolf, so even if nokiel is a wolf i don’t think trying to cfd makes sense here for wolf lemon, because the easy solution is to just let town beancat die and trying to get people to move around could have caused split wagons and resulted in a wolf!nokiel dying. and if nokiel is town, trying to cfd a third player with v/v wagons is again weird for a wolf to do when it would get them suspected the next day if kanave is town, and… it could technically be a buss if kanave is a wolf but this is a really dumb world i don’t really want to believe

@May

I’ve seen from both sides him W/W with Eliza

@May

I think her being wolf with Vulgard would explain why the votes and kills have been Like This

could you elaborate on these points

[Arctic]

@Lemonfairy

oh rip
I thought Kanave and Jar were scum together

this usually comes from town
(i did the same thing yesterday lol)

[Arctic]

i want to see if may can sell me on eliza/vulgard being w/w because if not then i think kanave is just a wolf because i think lemonfairy is town again and the only world that makes sense with my current reads where kanave is town is eliza/vulgard w/w but that partnership feels weird to me

[Arctic]

eliza talking to or about vulgard

Summary

@Vulgard

@ElizaThePsycho

this is wolf arctic

why are you on may then
join me

@ElizaThePsycho

i am not on may
VOTE: Arctic

@ElizaThePsycho

I think it’s plausible
I just don’t like him using “new player” as a justification

@ElizaThePsycho

Anyways vul’s tone is way off

@ElizaThePsycho

it’s probably the part where he’s typing lowercase but
I remember recently he was wolf and his tone was really… robotic.

@ElizaThePsycho

…and his tone is robotic

@ElizaThePsycho

ok fair

@ElizaThePsycho

What do these things have anything to do with eavhother

@ElizaThePsycho

…what

@ElizaThePsycho

I like things

@ElizaThePsycho

I like

@ElizaThePsycho

No.
(That I remember)

vulgard talking to or about eliza

Summary

@Vulgard

you literally just pushed eliza for the same thing, in the same timeframe, for almost exactly the same reason, as town in the previous game you played with her
this is obviously a fake push but you didn’t even try to make this look good smh

@Vulgard

@ElizaThePsycho

this is wolf arctic

why are you on may then
join me

@Vulgard

oh i read the votecount the other way around, it’s may who is on you
my bad

@Vulgard

eliza why are you always so wolfy

(…okay i would be extremely surprised if this post in particular was w/w lol)

@Vulgard

@Arctic

secondly i meant to ask you this at the start of the game, but i forgot

i remember you saying you were disheartened by being mislynched every game
what are you going to do this game to stop that happening

Summary why does it always say “summary”

we both know the answer is “nothing”

@Vulgard

@ElizaThePsycho

this guy is ALSO wolf

VOTE: Jar

this doesn’t compute to me
do you think jar’s partner didn’t tell them this game existed in this thread ? or do you think wolves are both inactives

or are you trying to argue jar’s partner told them now the game was happening here

@Vulgard

please explain your argument because i’m not sure what thought process you’re using
you seem to be accusing them of being mafia for saying they’re a new player which i don’t think is what you’re trying to say but that’s how it reads

@Vulgard

@Jar

a host account told me that the game is happening here and directed me to this thread or chat

@Jar

they are accusing me of being mafia because i think mafias here normally use the tactic of calling themselves a new player

@ElizaThePsycho bruh this is always town what are you on

@Vulgard

i kinda townread the confidence eliza had about jar being mafia but without a bigger explanation i can’t say i’m confident in that one

@Vulgard

i kinda townread everyone else ngl
kanave and eliza are the closest to null but they’re not wolfy
i kinda see what may is talking about re: aelin and what you’re talking about re: beancat

@Vulgard

oh i was trying to refer to the fact i had nokiel and kanave as two most likely wolves as i changed my mind on bean and thought eliza was fairly towny when pushing aelin

@Vulgard

@ElizaThePsycho

it’s probably the part where he’s typing lowercase but

I remember recently he was wolf and his tone was really… robotic.

oh in that sense i change tones all the time
haven’t really found one that i think expresses me best but with this one i feel like it’s the easiest for me to post thoughts

@Vulgard

the funniest part is that eliza has seen me type in all kinds of ways as different alignments

@Vulgard

i’m not sure why you find my tone robotic when i think i’ve been pretty transparent this entire game to the point i’ve openly called my thoughts dumb

@Vulgard

why did you like this explanation if you think it makes no sense

@Vulgard

you gave me a like for explaining then told me it didn’t make sense
if it didn’t make sense why did you give it a like

@Vulgard

do you like people

@Vulgard

any townreads then

@Vulgard

i might’ve lost a chromosome from this conversation

(including this one because it’s funny)

@Vulgard

i frankly liked kanave’s posts about eliza
when she’s actually here her content has been better recently she’s just weirdly Not Here recently when she’s typically an active player as town

@Vulgard

i’m also liking nokiel’s posts more and eliza’s less

@Vulgard

if i were to die right now i’d say beancat/eliza

@Vulgard

i think nokiel is the most towny player in the eliza/beancat/kanave/nokiel quartet and i don’t like beancat trying to get them killed now after townreading them on day 1

kanave also has a point about eliza that i somewhat agree with which is why i dropped her here

@Vulgard

i think kanave is not w/w with beancat and not w/w with eliza which would mean she has to be with nokiel but i now think nokiel is townier

i also revisited all of my trs and i feel confident about them (my trs are everyone else)

@Vulgard

kanave trying to argue to arctic that eliza should be considered an exe unaligns them solidly
kanave not voting aelin on day 1 unaligns them mildly
i’m not really sure why beancat is townreading kanave now

@Vulgard

eliza (push on aelin looks towny on the surface but re-reading it and then reading kanave’s case on it made me feel like kanave has a point, this push basically looks like she’s just arguing with aelin because aelin is wolfreading her and she presumably wants aelin to die that eod, also her reads seem really static - she moves from person to person and kinda just stops evaluating the previous player every time, just zeroes in on people that look pushable: first arctic, then jar (and quickly backs off when i defend them), then aelin, now me (but has completely stopped trying upon realizing i’m unpushable today)

@Vulgard

idk i just looked critically at the pushes these players have made and reached the conclusion beancat and eliza seem like they’re playing for mls

@Vulgard

i have noted that people eliza’s pushing keep getting poisoned so i doubt eliza is on the wolfteam lol

@Vulgard

by “keep getting poisoned” i mean that it happened once

@Vulgard

eliza’s posts about beancat are a good look because idt she doesn’t just let beancat die

@Vulgard

w/w or not w/w with nokiel i don’t want to kill her rn

without actually elaborating on anything because i’m too tired to do this right now
i don’t really think this is w/w
some posts today do kind of indicate that way
but overall not really
especially the “eliza why are you always so wolfy” post

[Arctic]

eliza’s posts generally look more w/w than the other way around tbh
especially the random suspicion for “robotic tone” kind of out of nowhere when vulgard was getting more pressure. they have a long fluff conversation at this point which i can’t really make heads or tails of despite its awkwardness

regardless i think vulgard poking eliza to join him on my wagon, and the “why are you always so wolfy post” strongly unalign these two imo. vulgard’s posts about eliza today are a bit concerning but idk i don’t think it outweighs this

[Arctic]

@Vulgard i don’t think kanave going after eliza unaligns them tbh. it could be a distance since kanave was likely to die that day plus her main push was on nokiel

right now i think it’s either kanave/eliza or kanave/nokiel

[Host_Account_1]

Kanave (2): Vulgard, Nokiel
Vulgard (1): Jar

Not Voting (5): Arctic, ElizaThePsycho, Kanave, Lemonfairy, May

Day ends 2022-12-03T04:00:00Z

[Arctic]

@Kanave if you are town then there is something going very wrong here and i would like to know what you think it is when you get here.

@ElizaThePsycho what is your read on kanave?

[Lemonfairy]

oh woah I caught up so fast by not commenting on anything