Plants Mountainous Poison - Day 8 (1/16) - Wolf Win

[Marluxion]

@2Wolves1Hydra

You townread people because they’re friends ? What?!
I don’t even know how I’m supposed to even fathom a read on you when you say shit like this.
So basically, you’re saying that you don’t care about accuracy or whatever, you just say ‘This is my friend, they’re town because I want them to be town’?

this is extreme strawmanning
that wasn’t the point of the post you’re quoting at all

[beancat]

I’m… a little less confident in my frog read, seeing how this solic wagon was picking up

@Frog you said D1 that your reason for voting solic was “gut feeling”.

Has anything changed?

[Marluxion]

fmpov he is like 95% town

[beancat]

Why?

[beancat]

Nobody is answering my questions…
I guess I came at a bad time.

I’ll see everyone tomorrow!

[Marluxion]

@2Wolves1Hydra

Brad has done… literally nothing to help their case. They’re not even self-pres’ing. Which I believe is a planned thing for them to do close to EoD so they survive another day. On top of this it’s amazing that Brad has went from voting Gorta, to voting Eli… and back to Gorta. Totally not trying to get an easy mis-yeet or chain.

this is more or less exactly how i’d case a villager as a wolf
it’s very easy to be like “person isn’t doing anything to make me think they are town, heck they aren’t even doing an obviously correct thing! insert sarcastic quip about how their slightly anti-town behavior is clearly indicative of the wolf agenda”

[Marluxion]

sorry i was reading

[Marluxion]

@beancat because until i started the eli wagon the entire game was just content with him going over, plus he’s hard in town meta

brad getting super over emotional at getting scumread happens legit like
every time he gets misread as town
he even made me quit a game i was playing with him on mu for daring to scumread him

[Frog]

@beancat

I’m… a little less confident in my frog read, seeing how this solic wagon was picking up

@Frog you said D1 that your reason for voting solic was “gut feeling”.

Has anything changed?

basically no, i still think they’re a wolf whether or not brad is wolf or town

it’s still more or less for the same 3 or 4 reasons, but also speculation on other things makes it more hmmmm

[beancat]

@Marluxion

because until i started the eli wagon the entire game was just content with him going over, plus he’s hard in town meta

This is actually more emblematic of Brad being mafia, no?

Mafia would be desperately trying to not lose one of their ranks D1, and the Eli wagon you started probably seemed nice to them.

[beancat]

Would you mind sharing those 3 or 4 reasons?

[beancat]

I should really go to sleep

Good night everyone!

[Frog]

@beancat

Hey everyone! I’ll be here for a short while

What has been the discussion on Brad - our top wagon yesterday - been like so far? A 6v6 rand seems quite competitive.

I thought it was weird too.

The_worst gave me a great rundown with scary amazing thread awareness on the situation, almost too aware to the point of me being like hmmmmmmmm

but its still useful stuff:

@the_worst

makes sense. i think leafia’s reason for switching off makes a bunch of sense and i think there’s like, enough reasoning to follow wind’s as well. it doesn’t seem super unusual for trochi not to have pressed it. eli is dead. 2w1h probably flippin. i’d usually expect the d1 brad wagon to have wolf presence, like, regardless of brad’s alignment. looking at {wind, trochi, gorta, leafia} makes me feel kinda unmotivated though?

Eli’s wagon is pretty untouched {lol, Marluxion, Solic, BradLand, Wazza, eevee} – and we’re probably looking at 2-3 on here

oh good god i asked you to unpack this and then accidentally opened my own third eye

And then Wazza had some solid analysis on if Brad is Town:

@Wazza

@Host_Account_2

1 hour remains in the day.

1 hour remains, this is what I’ll use to classify as “EOD”
Solic, 2W1H, Leafia, WWA, Marl, Frog, Eevee, Myself and Brad were all in EOD

@Marluxion

Actually this is a genius idea

/Vote Eli @Host_Account_2

This is where the Eli wagon begins

@Solic

/vote Eli @Host_Account_2

I think this has a higher chance then Brad.

@BradLand

/vote:Eli @Host_Account_2

Then it gains traction

@WindwardAway

I’m gonna commit to this over Eli

/vote Brad @Host_Account_2

Then Wind fights back

@Wazza

/vote Eli @Host_Account_2

In the grand scheme of things, one is more useful alive

Further traction

@eevee

/vote Eli @Host_Account_2

RNG! RNG!

And then Eevee dunks on it causing the rand.

@Host_Account_2

EoD1 Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted by	Votes
BradLand	2Wolves1Hydra, Leafia, EliThePsycho, Gorta, Trochilidae, WindwardAway	6/9
EliThePsycho	lol, Marluxion, Solic, BradLand, Wazza, eevee	6/9
Solic	the_worst, Frog	2/9
2Wolves1Hydra	beancat	1/9
Not voting	Ivy	1

Looking at the wagons from a T/T perspective like I’m positive it is, wolves would have no reason to be opportunistically voting on Eli as that gains them absolutely nothing, Eli going over instead of Brad helps scum very little in the long term, meaning it’d be best for them to just place their votes with a lack of care if there’s a wolf on Eli, thinking about this perspective:

lol was already on the wagon
Marl pushed for it
Solic voted with a lack of care for it
Brad self-pressed for it
I voted with a lack of care for it
Eevee voted to cause a rand

Out of these people here, the worst looking ones are lol, Solic, myself and Eevee, but it doesn’t stop there with wagonomics here.

@Host_Account_2

|Solic|the_worst, Frog|2/9|

|2Wolves1Hydra|beancat|1/9|
|Not voting|Ivy|1|

These 4 are all on vanity wagons with no reason or justification, Frog was there at EOD and decided against voting on Brad or Eli despite thinking one was more townie than the other, odd but I really don’t care.

@the_worst @beancat @Ivy
I have seen no content from the latter 2 of you this game whatsoever.
Worst, why did you vote Solic?
Beancat, why did you vote 2W1H and what are your new thoughts?
Ivy, where would you have voted at EOD if you were there?

Either way, I feel there’s at least 1 scum in the 4 who were on vanity wagons, but I’m still not done.

@Host_Account_2

|BradLand|2Wolves1Hydra, Leafia, EliThePsycho, Gorta, Trochilidae, WindwardAway|6/9

If we look at these wagons as T/T and Brad further as Town, we can see that these votes honestly suck, let’s think about this the same way we thought about the Eli wagon with the voting reasoning, granted these votes were a lot more spaced out than the votes on Eli, but it’s still best to think about it.

2W1H pushed on it
Leafia sheeped 2W1H for it
Eli was town and it can just be classified as self-pres now so lmao
Gorta voted with a lack of care for it
Chili voted with a lack of care for it
WWA voted with a lack of care for it

Out of everyone here Gorta, Chili and WWA look the worst especially if Solic is wolf.

Based on wagonnomics, these 4 are probably town imo, this doesn’t resemble my reads btw:
Brad - Town
Marl - Town
2W1H - Town
Frog - Town(ish)

These people have a chance to be scum because of it but I’m going to currently omit because of my reads:
Eevee
the_worst
Leafia
Chili (literally just thrown in here because I don’t want everyone else in the scum section, I want to see more from them)

The inactive ones that I can’t exactly place so they’re scumlean I suppose:
beancat
lol
Ivy

Anddd high chance to be scum imo:
Solic
Gorta
Windward

tried my hand at wagonnomics, be proud and look upon my probably decently correct reads

And I had some thoughts on both of those, but, I nominate Wazza as Town leader if the real poison is on me today, and Solic wolf, etc.

[Frog]

Off the top of my head:

1. a series of leading questions that go nowhere. They ask a bunch of one liner questions to a bunch of players and literally do nothing with it. It’s fake. It’s nothing.

2. They do some busy work commentary posts to appear to be doing stuff, when they’re not really doing anything. It comes across as just posting to look like they’re doing stuff.

3. I think they’re kind of performative / cartoony in their demeaour that comes off as insincere, like they’re playing the role of a town, rather than just being Town

I forgot what the other reasons were, but there were more tbh

In terms of voting, their timing for vote on Eli looks wolfy if Brad is mafia or not. It like, works against them both ways tbh.

[Frog]

@beancat

This is actually more emblematic of Brad being mafia, no?

I think Brad could go either way, and I’m a bit surprised he isnt getting yeeted today

I think if he’s mafia, he got mad, maybe rightfully, for being suspected without good reason. Caught for the wrong reasons wolves are a thing, I don’t know if that applies to Brad.

But yeah, I could see Brad being a hit, or Town, dunno tbh

[Gorta]

I’m back and will be here for a while

[Solic]

I have most definitely not caught up, but /vote Ivy @Host_Account_2 atm.

[Gorta]

I also had a thought earlier, but what if the wolves used fake poison on a towny?

[Host_Account_2]

Day 2 Vote Count

Vote Target	Voted By	Votes
Solic	Frog, the_worst, Ivy, Marluxion	4/8
eevee	WindwardAway, Leafia	2/8
beancat	lol, Wazza	2/8
WindwardAway	eevee	1/8
Ivy	Solic	1/8
Not Voting	BradLand, Gorta, beancat, Trochilidae, 2Wolves1Hydra	5

Ping me with errors

[the_worst]

i think it would be absolute mandess to treat the fake poison as alignment indicative in and of itself