Just reading back, it kind of makes me sad that my town game has basically fallen of a cliff compared to years back. Now I’m LHF. It honestly doesn’t make me very motivated to actually turn it around. Feels like I’m on borrowed time regardless and my thread position doesn’t lend itself to actually go after big fish even if I’d find them. Finding scum is probably my only potential salvation, but man it’s fucking hard. I should have retired with some dignity. That’s the pity party. Once I get back on my computer, I’ll give it a shot.
you should still do your best
I’ve been trying to do my best to get better at the game
you just have to find your groove again
I think that’s a solid vote tbh
Also google Scott Sterling Volleyball
Let me first reply to a few things:
Windward
You maybe give reads, but you don’t push others to follow them. That’s what I’ve been seeing and I didn’t expect it from a traditional town leader. It can be a playstyle thing tbh. I didn’t give you a proper ISO yet, but that’s where the vote came from. I saw Lol voting and just thought it’d be good to place a vote on someone else before I’d leave. In hindsight, I shouldn’t have done so from my thread position and done more due diligence before taking any stance. This was not necessarily about your EoD, but more the general impression you had left on me day 1.
Wazza
I did care who the second wagon was. I had an incomplete readslist, but I was fairly sure Brad was town. I myself felt close to potentially be CFD’ed too, so I wanted a someone else in that place, also potentially generating more interactions to delve into after. I was not on board with Gorta for a CFD, since I did have a read on them:
And here you can see my internal struggle on Eli tbh. I did a rushed ISO, because I was not in the position to start up a CFD and potentially get the lynch on me. I had to follow one that was proposed like Marl did.
Like Eli just feels like the last scumgame that I’ve remembered of him. Kind of being lost and not really doing much at all, struggling to actively make content, beyond pointing out obvious “pro-town” things like pointing out mechanical solving is useless in mountainous or that any sudden flashwagon is scum motivated.
Meeh… some of those things I can see in their town meta as well, but I haven’t really played intensely with them as a town player.
Leafia and Theworst
How do you explain the fact that upon rereading Brad you come to a completely different outcome. What changed? There must be more to this. @Leafia
I think I explained that in the most recent read. I had tunnel vision on Brad and was confused if my newest read on him is correct.
Starting to think Frog is right about you Solic. The way you got on my case and now jumped on Wind’s wagon is pretty wolfy I think. /vote Solic @ShinyVenusaur
Leafia has their vote on Brad all throughout day 1, but spends most of it arguing with Frog. Not really looking further into Brad to be sure. Then EoD happens, where a CFD occurs on a different player than her target who ends up flipping town (Eli) with a very close TIED votecount. So the counterwagon to her top scum Brad ended up flipping over as town. The main pusher of Brad, 2Wolves, she thinks was real poisoned and Frog was fake poisoned as shown here:
TW is an obvious choice for them to poison because Kiiruma is one of the main voices for the town, so of course the wolves would want him gone, but they wouldn’t want it to be obvious that he was poisoned. The only.thing that puzzles me is why did they fake poison Frog?
This means that both EoD and scum night actions should actually have enforced their belief that Brad was scum, making a re-ISO leading to a completely different conclusion (without Brad posting that much new content) the next day very off.
This was especially off to me, because I actually started to think that maybe I was wrong on Brad, considering Eli sprung up with relative ease and I did think 2wolves and Leafia were town, starting out this day.
@the_worst Hope this explains it.
here on and off
like i said wind wagon looks weird
liked solic wagon most just based off people on it (ivy weird tho)
@Solic ping me when you’re back i wanna talk
wind thoughts on solic, gorta, bean, marl, lol
if you’ve said already @ mealso hi worst ! missed u earlier
@Trochilidae hi
Frog
Thoughts on Ivy, beancat, lol?
I’ll post reads on everyone after this post. I’ll put you on ignore for a bit probably, because I feel my WiM depleting talking to you. Despite you saying you argue only in good faith. I’ve become unconvinced of that and don’t think I can sway you until I’d hopefully find scum (or you are just scum and can’t fault you for trying to attain your win condition). As top poster and someone that is poisoned today, my energy is better spend on other slots than you.
Wazza 2
That’s odd, I’m on Wind’s wagon and yet you’re fine with voting Wind without making any comment to the fact that I’m also on the wagon
Literally how
First few posts in the day I instantly vote Wind
My first post in the day, I vote Wind
Eevee literally pings me and talks about voting Wind
Have you just not read thread?
Firstly, why should I need to comment that you were also on the wagon? That’s just not something conventional at all…? Secondly, we haven’t even interacted that much this game, so how is that surprising? Thirdly, I was drunk SoD and have probably missed it for that reason. I have read the thread, but not everything remains in memory. That’s only natural.
If I’ve forgotten anything, please ping me!
I’m probably most experienced Town player?
To be fair, when it comes to experience, I play a bit longer than you.
Afair you appeared around 2016.
you’re all babies, all of you, i am as old as the stars
in absolutely no universe do we yeet windward today
i refuse
why
I was giving solic a chance d1, but my opinion on solic’s spot is starting to go down today in my opinion
Brad should go first still
Hosts are going to sleep, vote counts will resume later.
The day will end at 2022-01-23T21:00:00Z, or earlier if a majority is reached for execution.
why is no one voting brad?
Day 2 Vote Count
Vote Target | Voted By | Votes |
---|---|---|
Solic | Frog, the_worst, Ivy, Marluxion | 4/8 |
eevee | WindwardAway, Leafia | 2/8 |
beancat | lol, Wazza | 2/8 |
WindwardAway | eevee | 1/8 |
Ivy | Solic | 1/8 |
BradLand | Gorta | 1/8 |
Not Voting | BradLand, beancat, Trochilidae, 2Wolves1Hydra | 4 |
Ping me with errors
Hi! It’s nice to meet you all! Unfortunately I’m probably not gonna read the early posts >< I’d be happy to chat for a bit, though!
Awwww that’s great :3
I’m kinda feeling nervous because I’ve never played here before!
So I do believe this feeling is genuine.
I’m trying to take it more relaxed, so I’m just gonna chat with people and have fun! I usually tend to have a lot more townreads than scumreads, so I hope I’ll be able to find people I trust and work with them. ^^
Their approach to the game.
I do think if like, all my townreads agree on something, I’m prooobably gonna want to trust that! :P
So they are a self professed sheep.
Alright, if you’re telling the truth I think you’re town then, for coming into the thread early to post when you don’t really like playing wolf ^^
Okay, I’ve been poking around long enough, I’ll share my thoughts :P
I think 2wolves is really likely to be town, the conviction in their case shone through, even though I didn’t agree with it, I thought it was really townie! I liked the way Bradland explained some of his thoughts, too, and I felt like 2wolves and Brad is probably a T/T fight.
Frog has been kinda hostile to me, so I naturally wanna side eye him :P But I think the way he’s going about pressuring me has sort of felt like, I dunno, he doesn’t want people to give me a free pass, but he doesn’t wanna kill me without giving me a chance, and some of his individual posts have been really townie!
Trochi and beancat are just gut reads… I guess you could call it a tone read, too, but my emotional reads tend to be really good, and the energy they’re giving of or the vibes I get from them are pretty townie and well-intentioned ^^;
So those five are my townreads! I haven’t gotten serious scum pings from anyone yet, the closest is the_worst because they seem inclined to read everything I do as scummy without really giving me a chance. They’re like, forcing an interpretation of my posts in a way that Frog didn’t?
If I haven’t talked to you I probably don’t have an opinion of you, so if you wanna get on this list one way or another then I’d love to chat! ^^
They make reasonable enough reads.
I think you’re town and I’d like to sheep you, but I haven’t read anything Solic posted and it seems kinda unfair to vote them out without even reading them ^^;
Could you quickly summarize why you think Solic’s scummy?
It does, doesn’t it.
I don’t really like to do this but I probably will never be able to catch up, and I trust Frog ^^;
/vote Solic
they didn’t bold, nor ping the host, so it doesn’t count @Ivy Did you actually read my posts when casting this vote or is this a pure sheep on Frog?
I notice that in my mind I confuse Ivy and Beancat’s posts sometimes It’s hard for me to read this slot, because they haven’t made any pushes, except for an unexplained deferred push unto me. They say this is their playstyle early on and I don’t think the reasons that they gave for a townread thus far were demonstrably false and some of them were even unique to me like this:
Alright, if you’re telling the truth I think you’re town then, for coming into the thread early to post when you don’t really like playing wolf ^^
They seem more skilled than the space they take up for themselves in the thread, which is the only thing that gives me pause. Personally, I think it’s a lot easier as scum to just townread a bunch of players in the earlygame and not do much else, because noone will be upset at you. Their very first vote is like in the middle of day 2. Would like to see this slot be more vocal, but I guess everybody shares that sentiment.
I don’t think they deserve my vote currently however. Ending up at null to light town lean. /unvote
I’m back! That’s a lot of posts to read…
Thoughts from beancat!
- There are no roles that can do anything at night in this game
I don’t know what signs everyone show when they are mafia, so this is going to be hard…
This is an okay entrance, they sound out of their depth and intimidated and I think it’s a hard thing to fake as scum.
In post #270, BradLand states that they townread/townlean four people, and think there is one (I assume this to mean “at least one” - correct me if I’m wrong) mafia in Gorta/Eli. How is it possible to have an idea on this many people’s alignments? The game has barely begun. I believe this post shows that Brad has information that the rest of us don’t (i.e. is mafia).
Jumping on the bandwagon a bit…, but I do like this read. Brad’s alignment would help this meeh.
Few points on The Wolves’ reads. First, on Ivy - they are accusing Ivy of being “overly agreeable”, which I think is a lazy thing to push Ivy for. It’s pretty clear that’s just how Ivy is playing, and I think it’s The Wolves finding an excuse to jump onto the Ivy hate bandwagon. Next, on Frog - it seems they do agree with frog in that Ivy is scummy for one reason or another, but The Wolves dismiss them as just having “some weird posts.” Shouldn’t there at least be some line somewhere that talks about this?
I like the backbone on beancat here in defending Ivy.
My recap so far:
- I have found little reason to townread anyone in this game so far.
- I have found some eyebrow-raising posts from Trochi, The Wolves, BradLand, and the_worst. Whether that actually means they are scum is… to be seen.
Paranoia feels relatable.
I… really don’t like this readlist. There’s a lot of points where Leafia talks about her feelings - see their read on Bradland, WindwardAway, and myself. It seems like they are putting out a readlist just so they can say that they put out a readlist.
I like this post.
I’m not going to bother reading up on things…
It’s late at night and I have better things to do.
I saw frog ping me to vote, so here’s my vote for now:
/vote 2wolves1hydra @ShinyVenusaur
I really don’t like their reasoning, voting Ivy for a weird reason and then dismissing Frog for weird posts.
Bad vote in hindsights, but I can also most definitely relate to clashing with Kiiruma on reads. They definitely don’t hold their punches.
Okay! I’ll take this for now.
Talk to me about Brad! Earlier today I was suspicious of them for seeming to attack Eli but piggybacking a little too enthusiastically on the_worst’s post.
What is your read on them?
At this time I think I am confident enough to say I like Frog as our leader figure.
There are some weird partd in there that I still don’t fully understand (the Gorta IC thing for example), but they’ve worked these past multiple hours to get people moving amd interacting, which is more often than not beneficial for town. I also agree with them on most of their analysis, and even in the ones that I don’t, I can usually see the logic behind it.
I can follow what you are saying, although I’m not entirely sure that aspect specifically makes The Wolves necessarily mafia (I suspect them for different reasons).
I had the same suspicion about Brad earlier - being overly confident in their reads - and their explanation that it was just their playstyle and not really relevant to their alignmentfelt genuine, something they could say as either alignment.
Do The Wolves have a playstyle history like this?
I like that they actively try to collaborate in thread with Frog who they view as town. It doesn’t feel slimy, because it’s both agreeable and disagreeable on points, so it doesn’t read as a pocket attempt, nor theater, because there aren’t really much fireworks. This really feels like they want to collaborate.
Mafia:
Lol
2Wolves1Hydra
Wazza
Trochi
Oh, you changed your mind on Brad moving them more to null than these slots? @beancat I could guess why, but I’d like to hear it from you.
I like Beancat’s posting and would comfortable slot this into town now. They pursue their own thoughts, but still seek to collaborate with those they view as town. They have a bit of a shaky entrance, so I hope that their later confidence is them finding their footing, but that’s about the only thing I’d find odd about Bean atm.
To be fair, when it comes to experience, I play a bit longer than you.
Afair you appeared around 2016.
I dunno, maybe you have? A lot of people play Mafia as a casual game growing up. I had over a thousand games logged before my first forum mafia game in 2013, but there were some mafia sub forums active before then
Bad vote in hindsights, but I can also most definitely relate to clashing with Kiiruma on reads. They definitely don’t hold their punches.
Note, I think this is bad, because I think 2wolves is town, but bean’s progression is there.
I’ll post reads on everyone after this post. I’ll put you on ignore for a bit probably, because I feel my WiM depleting talking to you. Despite you saying you argue only in good faith. I’ve become unconvinced of that and don’t think I can sway you until I’d hopefully find scum (or you are just scum and can’t fault you for trying to attain your win condition). As top poster and someone that is poisoned today, my energy is better spend on other slots than you.
That’s fair, I hope you do solid work friend
I don’t believe in slips, but I’m just curious if you were in fact Mafia, if you had meant to say that I’m poisoned today. As I said, I don’t believe in slips, so I don’t think this is the case, but something for post game maybe.
If you are Town, you would know that I was in a position at end of day to choose between eli and brad. We know Eli is Town. Do you think my alignment would be indicative if Brad were Mafia? What about if Brad were Town?
Again, probably a good call to ignore me tbh, I think you’d be better served doing work on other players