Leafneon?
I’d do it
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The ball room finished as it should be. With two
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Yes.
You never voted me right?
Not at the end of a day. I forgot about EoD4 and didn’t make it to vote you out, which I would’ve done. I said so even when I thought you’d been town.
Which you were, of course.
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I find it hilarious that Atlas had such faith in me as to believe I only could’ve lost in the specific way I did, and not from Town just getting me normally.
In hindsight, Magnus being [TOWNY TOWN FROM THE MASON CHAT] makes these ballsroom posts even funnier. Actually I changed my mind again I am the observer
If I recall, you said you found me socially towny and it was only off the gamestate that you wanted to suspect me. In spite of everything.
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There’s a Ballsroom post for everything.
CRichard concealed his role unnecessarily and Min wasn’t claiming that they couldn’t shoot. I had the POE covered.
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To elaborate, you were generally towny to my eye, but when I looked back through your wolfgames, I found myself making the same observations that caused me to townread you here.
I ended up concluding that I have no way to L0 read you, and instead started to look more at the higher-level stuff… who you pushed (your turn-around on Garfooled felt like someone resigned to a well-made case on their buddy, the way you still let Guava hover around your PoE when she was ‘greenchecked’, how the nightkills were exactly the ones I’d make were I you), what everyone else in the game looked like, that kind of thing.
That post I made that Guava was following as my PoE was actually me trying to make a “proof by contradiction” point… for me to accept that you were good, I would have had to accept two evils in Hazard/nuto/min, or whatever it was, and they were just… townier than you. I also heavily socially scumread Guava over anyone else, which made it a lot harder for me to conceive of you being town than if you’d not claimed a greencheck on her. It narrowed down the PoE too much. It’s why I kept trying to mess around with Godfather worlds and ask you about the exact mechanics of your clear; I scumread Guava more than I townread you, so as long as the two of you came as a package deal, I couldn’t really put you in town.
CRichard was radiating a frankly sickening level of towniness in our neighbourhood, in which he also claimed aspects of his role to me, and Min pulled several stunts, especially that reaction test that was timed perfectly for a paranoia-calming safety net of a play on someone planning to give me KP, that just made him… more towny than the average of you and Guava. That’s the theme of this game. You were towny, towny enough to have me executing players like Jake and nuto over you, but not townier than… you know, the town, who did an excellent job of making themselves known.
Were I interested in my long-term survival on that final day, here’s what I would’ve done:
Vote Gorta and coerce Hazard and CRichard to join me. Cite the logic that we could execute into CRichard / Gorta during the day and have Min shoot me at night to clear two apparent 50/50s in one cycle instead of killing Min the next day and blindly killing into them next. I think this could’ve been done.
The following night, steal Min’s killing ability which I assumed would have limited uses. I would also use the roleblock I stole from CRichard on Hazard (something I assumed would regularly receive feedback) so he could confirm my night action the next day when Min claimed I stole their shot. Under the assumption that we got a kill that night, because I probably wouldn’t have gone after Leafia that night, it would be 4 v 2 and I’d only have to push CRichard / Min as the scumteam which would be extremely plausible in that world because CRichard wasn’t claiming his rolecard, Min wasn’t even trying to activate their shot, and I would be supported.
Atlas thinks I should’ve pushed Leafia instead. The reasoning is that I should’ve gotten CRichard to pick up on a case against Leafia and have the two tunnel each other. The problem here is that pushing Leafia as a starting evil is not a good decision.
You got PoEd in on by… what was just good and high-effort townplay by the remaining non-cleared players, Hazard, CRichard, min, and company. It’s obvious you were playing well, your posts were L0 indistinguishable from your towngame and even on L1 I was willing to accept your attitudes on Garfooled and Aro as potentially coming from t!you. We just ran out of other people to execute. I don’t know how you could’ve really played that, honestly. Difficult situation.
Something like that, yeah. Mechanics aren’t a safety net. Their strings are not well-tied enough to support a win all on their own, whether you’re wolf or town. They slipped out from under you.
My only goal after D2 was to look better in hindsight in XELO compared to any other dead players.
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Here, you accepted death too readily. In WWFM2, I was too desperate to survive. This is why we need to hydra
I left Guava instructions on what to do after my death while you didn’t bother preparing for your death.
You broke the masonry pact though.
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I feel like you two, Magnus and Guava… accepted town consensus a lot, in a way that was to your detriment. Not entirely, I saw some pulling of players back down to PoE later in the game, but definitely earlier on.
For example, it seemed like you treated Garfooled as beyond saving once I cased them, moving on to trying to push other townies based on their wolf flip, despite the fact that it wasn’t certain death. I don’t have that much threadpull.
And more notably, I think, you allowed players like CRichard, Gorta, and for a time Min to be socially consensus towncleared in a way that could’ve been subtly disrupted if you hadn’t been treating them as town. Not even wolfreading or casing them, just… like, honestly, a large part of the reason I had dropped my case on Gorta was that I saw you, Magnus, repeatedly saying he was locktown, and I was like “ugh okay fine”. Consensus is a powerful tool. I was working off your townreads to clear those players while PoEing in on you, and I’m sure others subconsciously do the same. It made you look towny on a surface-level backread for sure, but I dunno if it was worth.
Hold on let me get some screenshots