Players' Choice Invitational - Town Wins!

[YoubutWorse]

@Vulgard

this is completely random,

I literally said after that those were randomly generated

[Arctic]

@Vulgard

later, it gets better, but i get the impression he’s throwing suspicion around without rhyme or reason. he susses me/crich/ranta, which is suspicious, because we all have one thing in common: we’re all viable pushes at the moment not named squirrel/ash. he barely talks about ash/squirrel and doesn’t even make a read on them; instead, he pushes the three of us and calls them town for the reasons below:

yeah
it feels like the reasonable wolf archetype

[Vulgard]

i just can’t believe he has nothing to say about ash/squirrel beyond this statement:

“Squirrel is funky but not outraguesly funky and Ash is bad but still has some towny things”

and yet he feels like the consensus is wrong and he must push elsewhere. this isn’t even a defense. he’s even calling them somewhat wolfy in this sentence. how is he distinguishing “funky” and “bad” from “wolf” here and how is it so strong that he wants to flip the script entirely? it’s like he acknowledges they’re wolfy while also trying to defend them and wanting to shift the wagons, and these conflicting things create a nonsensical mess.

[Arctic]

@Vulgard

if he’s a villager, then he could be genuinely feeling like we’re going in the wrong direction, but the way he approached it is backwards. he’s pushing the three of us and away from ash/squirrel, then he says the consensus on ash/squirrel is wrong, instead of finding ash/squirrel as town and working from there to find some of their pushers as mafia.

i love you

[Vulgard]

i’m masons with arctic btw.

[YoubutWorse]

@Vulgard

bw had admitted numerous times that life was kicking his butt

life wasnt kicking my butt I was just tired and exhausted from school. I think this sentence exaggerates heavily what I really said

@Vulgard

just admit you’re too busy to make a lot of reads and stick to whatever you think you can contribute without it being forced out of you.

I wasnt really too busy I just didnt want to, but I felt bad about not contributing so I did. Thats why I made that entire wallpost is because I know I can do better than what Im doing currently

@Vulgard

instead of finding ash/squirrel as town and working from there to find some of their pushers as mafia.

@YoubutWorse

My third and weakest scumread is Vulgard. To be fair, you could replace Vulgard with any of the current topposters (Atlas, Arctic, even Wind I guess). From my perspective, I think that the current top two wagons are really weak.

thats literally just not true! I mentioned specifically that it wasnt a direct scumread on you, just that I didn’t really like the push on them bc I found the wagons good. The reason I don’t state anything with them is bc I dont think they ever posted (except squirrel maybe) while I was back reading so I didn’t really ever get the oppurtunity to respond to their posts or anything like that, so i included it later. I don’t understand your reasoning at all honestly.

[Arctic]

@Vulgard

it feels like he has TMI on the wagons, and while “what TMI” is up for debate, there’s definitely a wolf being wagoned right now or else he wouldn’t be doing this as W.

so you think we should stick the course
mmmm
alright

[YoubutWorse]

sorry my reads aren’t consensus but they’re what I think and im gonna say them

[Arctic]

i dont think id put it being ybw tmi’ing ash and squirrel both as v

[Vulgard]

that is also a possibility, i’m not saying it can’t be. but i do believe at least one wolf is being wagoned right now, or else there’s absolutely no reason for ybw to do what he’s doing as mafia. i mean, if wagons are v/v/v, this is perfect for him and his team! he has no reason to stir the pot.

[Vulgard]

so if you assume ybw is mafia, then squirrel/ash/crich contains 1+ wolves. at least, that’s the way i see it at the moment.

[YoubutWorse]

im gonna take a small break from thread bc im getting frustrated and dont wanna be toxic ill be back in like 15~ minutes if im feeling cooled down by then

[Vulgard]

i don’t mind ybw being a wagon at all, fyi.

[WindwardAway]

hi i’m back

@YoubutWorse

My third and weakest scumread is Vulgard. To be fair, you could replace Vulgard with any of the current topposters (Atlas, Arctic, even Wind I guess). From my perspective, I think that the current top two wagons are really weak. Squirrel is funky but not outraguesly funky and Ash is bad but still has some towny things, a lot more towny things than the other two slots that I’m mentioning here. I don’t really see a good reason why all of these people are pushing for ash/squirrel wagons which I currently believe are v/v or maybe even v/w with how Crich has acted around the wagons. I might be dumb, in fact i AM dumb, but I just really don’t like how Crich has swapped his vote around the wagons so many times and how he’s treated them. I guess this isn’t really scumreading vulgard but oh well I wanted to fill out a scumteam and here it is so u got my explanation for the wagons instead

is this read based specifically on reading the wagonomics surrounding Ash/Squirrel/CRich?
how would this change if CRich isn’t a wolf?

[Host_Account_5]

EOD is in 30 minutes.

[Host_Account_5]

nevermind.

[Arctic]

thanks cheese

[Vulgard]

@WindwardAway

is this read based

it’s not.

[WindwardAway]

@YoubutWorse

@Squirrel2412

his posts are weird

can’t tell if that’s just crich vibes or if it’s scum

I’m inclined towards the former bc crich gets yeeted early iirc

@Squirrel2412

crich - feels scummy in a way that might be playstyle

this feels weird to me imo, the way they said they thought that crich was just doing his own thing and then puts him at a scumlean with some meh reasoning.

ybw says squirrel’s take on crich is weird but he himself is scumreading crich and i guess townreading squirrel

@YoubutWorse

@Vulgard

re:crich I’ll have to read his slot again but the point about him being obvious V when V isn’t terrible

I don’t really agree, just bc someone is usually obvious town and this one time they’re not doesn’t mean they’re not town. I still think Crich has scum equity but I think this is a bad reason to think of him as scum

this too

actually replying to these two posts in opposite order is doing wonders for finding inconsistencies

@YoubutWorse

@CRichardFortressLies

Now that I think about it, YBW’s vote on me is pretty scummy if you ask me.

This doesn’t feel like a bad wagon to start with.
/Vote YoubutWorse @Host-Account-5

awesome

so ybw goes from disliking squirrel’s scumread on crich to disliking crich’s vote on ybw (I think) and deciding it makes crich scum?

@YoubutWorse

@CRichardFortressLies

/Vote Squirrel2412 @Host-Account-5

am I the only one who sees crichard moving his vote around a lot as weird especially after people started kinda ignoring his slot or is that just me

like

@CRichardFortressLies

It would be unfair to kill Squirrel over a “perspective slip” which can be explained as something else more innocent.

You just voted squirrel for this perspective slip??? Huh???
I thought crich was improving a teensy bit (still SR him) but wow is he going down

@CRichardFortressLies

Yes. It’s also possible that they had unfortunate word choice that made it look like a perspective slip.

Which reminded me of how Frostwolf was executed for “TMI” in SFoL 64.

you literally voted squirrel bc of it and its still on squirrel wtf

I’m right now thinking that 2 of the wolves are Crich/Ranta, and that (even though I don’t townread them) the two main wagons are maybe v/v? Mainly with how Crich has acted with both of them, changing his vote constantly and not really sticking to a read.

@CRichardFortressLies

Lets not rand

/Vote Ash4Fun @Host-Account-5

Like right here!

he accuses crich of flipflopping on his reads/votes but he’s doing the same thing, isn’t he

@YoubutWorse

RN my gth scumteam is Crich/Ranta/Vulgard (idrc who lw is). Ill explain a bit more right after this post but I just wanna get it out

and then this conclusion

[WindwardAway]

you know, this really didn’t do anything to convince me not to wagon ybw instead