Can I ask more about these two?
Especially on Kiiruma, because I clearly remember seeing Rue have Kiiruma at the bottom of her readslist. Twice.
But what would w!dota’s scumbuddies do to save w!dota? Any attempt to save them would be the equivalent of outing themselves.
Plus, if dota is town, then their resignation at P#3077 is anti-town, and my points on why their logic for voting Derps is non-existent (P#3385) will still bury them to hell.
I believe Wazza and I said that, but in context we believe that wolves would not give “too much” care about the first Hell Phases (especially the first Hell Phase) since they can afford to send 2 mafias to hell.
The second Hell Phase (i.e. now) matters slightly more because if they can’t get any towncred from yeeting mafia to hell now, then they would be fighting an uphill battle in Hell 3.
(Unless they are deepwolving already, but… that’s just a paranoia.)
Because “misyeets” don’t apply in this game mode. All “deaths” (wanted or unwanted) would fall under the responsibility of the votes.
Wazza mentioned it before, but the mafia literally can’t send any unwanted town away from the Purgatory (AKA main thread) because there is no “night kills”.
…? Who are you talking about? (Remove from where? Which phase are we talking about?)
Hm… Very well.
As Lucky would say: "This is a good post."
Could you tell me what part of Hippo you don’t like?
Moose I can understand why you would put her in null, and lol is someone I have yet to re-eval, but I refuse to believe Trochi is “not playing this phase”.
You already explained why you have lol on null, but can you re-eval Trochi?
Ah. I’m sorry to hear that.
I wish you the best of luck.
i went to sleep but sure yeah
it was eod and lucky and wazza were tied
wazza kept pushing to go and it was getting kinda annoying
then lucky voted wazza
so i was like ok i townread a lot of this wazza wagon and i don’t scumread wazza
and as funny as it would be i didn’t want to tie heaven phase
so i voted wazza
Why were you keeping such a cool head with Wazza’s posts towards you in thread? If it were me in your position, I would very much have been frustrated at Wazza, but you seemed to barely care at all.
Unfortunately it does not make sense to me. More specifically: I don’t get what you want to convey.
You are basically saying [Derps’ posts are NAI] but [Lucky’s posts aren’t scummy] and yet your conclusion is [I don’t know]. Given your explanation, I’d expect a “Lucky is towny” or something.
Now hold on. I can get kind of understand if you think that his fluff posts are scummy, but the thing you just quoted is a serious matter. Why do you not want to evaluate me? I am very self-aware as either alignment, so I know for a fact that you haven’t mentioned anything about me. Why do you avoid me?
I know for a fact that he is wrong about me, but I know nothing about you, and the fact that you are blatantly ignoring his posts; his content, is not something I see from a town’s POV.
FTR, just because Lucky [has ignored literal multiple statements] while also [spamming at least 30% of his ISO with either fluff or posts that could have been posted at once instead of consecutively], does not mean that we can ignore [the >20% of his content that actually has logic].
Hm… Hey Gorta, can you make a readslist?
Okay… Suppose I believe your statement and assume that you are town:
Could you do anything other than “resign and shitpost because everyone scumreads dota”?
Ehhhhh. I told him not to do it and he didn’t care enough to have the courtesy so why as town should I give it back to him? It’s scummy the way he’s handled it with no room for doubt
That’s the thing, I have a hard time processing the idea that Lucky is a wolf this game. Derps does handle Lucky’s slot weirdly and that does give me some concern, but I also have trouble thinking that Lucky is scum with derps this game. So I wouldn’t kill Lucky today, but meh I’ll keep a closer eye on the slot.
The only people I have strong reads on are you, Lucky and I need to read more slots. I mean I eventually realized Derps was scum, but Derps is also dead. The only other person I read today was dota and I really don’t know what to think about that slot.
…for the next time, I would appreciate it immensely if you were to also give the quotes. I have about four sets of homework that I have yet to do, so it would greatly lessen my burden if you can give your arguments along with your statement.
P#3174, you were interested in Kiiruma’s phrasing in P#3088.
P#3413, you believe that Trochi might’ve cleared Kiiruma too easily,
to which Trochi disagreed in P#3416.
P#3438, you changed your mind about Kiiruma. (Ah. This is the post I want.)
Reason to scumread Kiiruma: Lack of Kiiruma/Derps interaction.
Reason to townread Kiiruma: Kiiruma’s conviction to push Lucky is towny based of meta.
…ya, I saw this post, but just like many other posts where their base argument is based on meta (e.g. “in a past game, X would […]”, “I have played with X long enough to know they would […] as town/mafia”, etc.), I can’t pry further because all of these are “subjective beliefs” that I simply can’t relate to.
TL;DR I can relate with your reason to scumread Kiiruma more than your reason to townread him.
While sending off two mafia to hell would put the mafia in a very bad situation, the mafia cannot possibly get w!dota out of the current situation. Hence, they would just “follow the flow” and vote dota to minimize the loss.
By that I mean: In the event that they would be accused of being scummy in the future, they could just say “I voted along with town and we got it right.” (Unironically, that is literally what Lucky did, but I already stated in P#3460 why I townread Lucky.)
Regarding the Aelin wagon, I already stated how I believe Brad’s and Trochi’s timing were suspicious, especially for Brad. Even more concerning is that Brad unvoted literally after I unvoted as well.
Admittedly, unlike the time when he voted Aelin literally after me, this time there is enough context for him to switch his reads. However, my unease of the timing of his vote and unvote still remains.
I don’t quite follow how to read Trochi, because he believes that Aelin is mafia, while also claiming in P#3275 that Aelin townreads him. It is… confusing, to say the least, which is why I’d put him on the lower end of my null read on my reads (P#3273).
