Questions FM - GAME OVER (Mafia Victory)

Oh no not this again.

i thought it was one of your favorite roles

along with checks notes elite body guard and jailor

Yeah I kinda expected to sorta be a bit lazy and then got the check and probably should have gone for a different gambit around it. Oh well.

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I wouldn’t have signed off on this.

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I always combine you and anything with roles

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Ehh, millers and red herrings are fine if people know they can exist.

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Dude my passive was impossible to figure out

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Kinda cool abilities though

Yeah but any alignment of Transporter is definitely even stupider than any alignment of PGO.

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Hard disagree
Bus Driver can be designed around

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PGO is the worst role in FM

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“Can” does not mean “should”.

I’d argue they’re kinda comparably bad in a sense, though. I mean, PGO is stupid, swingy when relevant, and doesn’t have much agency. One could make a better variant of the role. Bus Driver and Transporter are stupid, swingy when relevant, and while they have agency, usually make a mess. It’s not clear that one could really make a better variant of the role without making something that really isn’t the same thing.

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id argue theyre both stupid swingy but bus driver can’t randomly merk the deepwolf like pgo can, it just turns into a flat doc + vig thing
so marginally better but massive swing precludes either in a setup

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Bus Driver is terrible in a way that PGO just isn’t
PGO is terrible in how it cheats

It doesn’t have to choose
You cannot reasonably predict how many kills it will get
Its power is entirely reliant on extraneous factors in a manner that makes it impossible to work with
It even encourages some of the most frustrating plays I’ve ever seen

It is runnable in the same way you can run a bus driver, but the problem it poses is different to bus driver

Bus Driver is comparable to various styles of protective at the end of the day
It’s just a stupid protective

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basically what geyde said

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I got one even dumber: Nexus

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I mean, the way to make it work is to limit its impact. A reflexive vigilante that can only kill one player all game is much more reasonable than an unlimited form, but both would generally be called a PGO.

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roles that kill players w/out targetting them low-key suck to play against in general

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Meh. Bus Driver is just so often a role where the optimal play is not to use it.

why not just make bus driver not change murder targets

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