SFoL 70: Last Stand of the Virtuous IV - Night 2 (13/19)

[Magnus]

@Magnus

Anyway, I don’t think Sally’s a decent kill. I understand pressure voting, and I especially understand the principle of killing inactives sooner rather than later, but I’d like to vote elsewhere.

Me about Gocj:

[Ash]

@Ash

I’m not entirely sure how to respond to “Hey, Litten said he claimed to two people, and I was one of them, but let’s vote Ash because why not.”

This. Litten’s only public suspicion on me was, like, early D1. If I were killing off the people that were suspicious of me, I’d shoot Golden, who was more direct and more recent.
Meanwhile, Magnus is one of only two people to know Litten was the Duke, and oh, look, Litten’s dead, and suddenly, Magnus is incredibly interested in pushing one of the earliest reads Litten made. This isn’t even mentioning that Litten’s literal final words speak of Magnus being suspicious.
Based solely off that, I’d argue Magnus is trying to deflect off the log incriminating them by going after me.

[Ash]

Why are we voting Sally, exactly?

[Ash]

Wait, did we get an invest result on Magnus?

[Ash]

Excluding me being read red and you not being orange, I think I could get behind this.

[Magnus]

@Ash

Meanwhile, Magnus is one of only two people to know Litten was the Duke, and oh, look, Litten’s dead

You’re insinuating that I am specifically the neutral killer, alright.

@Ash

Magnus is incredibly interested in pushing one of the earliest reads Litten made

Jarek can confirm our chat and that Litten raised you as the primary target during the night; even if he was an evil king, he could verify because we couldn’t be conspiring together or else Litten would’ve written that down as well.

@Ash

This isn’t even mentioning that Litten’s literal final words speak of Magnus being suspicious

This is false. He said I might be the Insurgent (which isn’t a neutral killer anyway). Ifrit is confirmed to not be in play as Litten’s will was revealed.

[Magnus]

@Ash

Why are we voting Sally, exactly?

AFK I guess.

[Ash]

Yes, I’m suspecting you of being the NK. I can see Litten being killed independent of you, but I think there are quite a few fingers being pointed at you.

And yes, I know Jarek can confirm Litten’s suspicions of me, but how would I know of those suspicions if I wasn’t in that chat? From my perspective, Litten mentioned me during SoD, and that’s it.

[Magnus]

Why did you townread me D1?

[Ash]

You just seemed town.
Didn’t really have a reason to see you as anti-town.

[Magnus]

@Ash

I think there are quite a few fingers being pointed at you.

I don’t think so.

[Magnus]

Is there a more specific reason you can give?

[Ash]

Outside of “I generally trust people who suspect me”?
No, not really. I’m not great at vibing people.

[Magnus]

@Magnus

I would be inclined to imagine Ash actually has a neutral role. I can’t see any starting false-flip evils, although it seems more likely for a player to fake-TMI the opposite evil team than the actual team if they aren’t really thinking about it so I suppose he could be HoB.

I would consider this to be a townread / neutral-read at worst.

[Magnus]

@Magnus

@Ash

Magnus because I generally trust people who sus me.

I didn’t actually sus you, as a fun fact. I was going to sus you, but I realised your behaviour didn’t really feel groupscum-like while I was writing that breakdown. That’s why it’s watered-down.

@Ash

Potato, tomato, same thing.

You dismissed it but you noticed this D1.

[Ash]

Magnus, I don’t have an answer outside of “you just seemed town to me”, and my suspicion comes from me feeling that there’s a lower chance of Litten randomly being killed than there is of you knowing about their role and killing them as a result.

[Magnus]

It just seems like you townread me for posting a favourable analysis of your slot, and you mainly suspect me now because I’m pushing a dead player’s opinion on your slot.

[Magnus]

Litten was probably one of the strongest midgame social players here, and he did soft having an important role yesterday. It’s not particularly surprising in hindsight, but I was hoping he lived.

[Ash]

I don’t really have a response to any of this. Don’t really know how to reply to “you are prone to flattery” and “dead guy said this about you”.

[Ash]

I still think this is a deflection, but I don’t think an NK would be so brazen about trying to get someone killed.