Stratagem-10 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

Can you link it?

Ok here it’s this one!

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To be fair in that one game where I vigged my teammate they were largely considered to be evil and were going to go over next regardless so while it was a bus it wasn’t out of the blue and made sense in the context of the game I don’t think Zorvo fits that same description.

Anyone got any questions for me though I’m here now

lissi ill be frank
you have no reason to scumread me
you try to defend your read through obscure, incredibly textheavy wallposts with zero direct quotes, vague criticisms of things i said and often already commented on before
and you know i think all this. i said all this and you completely ignored it while replying to me

it is exhausting

Can you talk more about what you thought of the exact sussing though?

I’m talking about a different game but it seems like it happens often enough :joy_cat: Sadly, don’t remember the exact circumstances around mine.

Like, the validity of the sus?

Fair but in this game I’d be the one that bussed so still valid to bring up

I c/ped quotes because I’m on mobile and editing in quotes while every tab switch asks me “this post is being edited in another tab” or whatever is crazy annyoing.

It’s all in your ISO so I wrote down post citations and I directly c/ped which of your words I was quoting.

If you have such a problem with reading my explanation, you could actually just explain where you showed progression instead of telling me vague repetitions of “I was constantly sussing Zorvo and dissecting his posts” or break down what exactly your sus was- beyond “policy” for him calling you wolf, or just “possible TMI” without naming it.

I don’t see why you’ve felt the need to be so rude with both of your responses to me instead, without even making that bare minimum effort to be clear.

I HAVE EXPLAINED IT
this is the issue. ive been through all of this and you just havent read it while very confidently claiming you read my iso

Yeah. Because I couldn’t really find anything that made me go, yeah I finally see why she thinks Zorvo is a wolf, just a long argument that was drawn out when the original topic was already irrelevant.

Add that missing logic gap to the fact that she avidly pushed no exe, and I can’t see why her push on Zorvo makes her town. If she won’t explain but everyone else sees it, it would be nice for someone else to explain what they see to me.

im not doing this
you can actually read my iso or you can stop going on and on about me, even when not relevant
ive already had to deal with that once this game

@Lissi do you think jaiden is stirring the pot in an attempt to be wifomy with her status in topic?

Then link it, instead of yelling at me for not finding it. I’m not going to magically find it out of nowhere if you keep complaining about “me not reading”

I’m not going through your ISO again, it’s ultra time-consuming, tells me nothing new, will get me scolded once again for “not reading,” and at this point it’s frankly just a waste of time for me.

What does “status in topic” mean?

Well, she was very aggro about pushing no exe day 1. Whats the scum angle there iyo?

I don’t think no exe benefits town, for one. Putting most her energy into advocating for no-exe also meant that she didn’t have to put as much into solving, imo. I didn’t read past when I made the first wallpost D1, but up until then if you asked me which post I thought was the most solvy, it’d be her 6th post about Magnus/Memes/Zorvo.

Working out the logic with Zorvo now…

Hmm I guess my thought was like, she put all this effort into arguing with Zorvo, while saying town will never hit scum D1, and pushing hard for no exe, which has the side effect of Zorvo not dying.

Even though Zorvo did die, Jaiden gets to claim, look how hard I pushed this wolf, while voting no-exe in the end still looks good because then she looks consistent for staying true to her no-exe ideals.

My thought was that arguing with Zorvo was inevitable anyways. As traitor, he wouldn’t have been able to communicate with w!Jaiden so it’s not like she could stop him and switch gears to ultra-hard-scumreading someone else; may as well milk it for all it’s worth, while making an attempt to save him with no-exe. I think that’s also why the argument would actually be rather unsubstantial.

I have to check post orders + first posters (bc of first reads post) for this, but that’s where I’m at right now.

Okay, I’m going to go now. See you guys in a few hours or something, I need a break.

In my mind… supposing Jaiden is scum. Then that means scum!Jaiden goes after mafia traitor for so long on D1, and so relentlessly. Thinking about the game setup, I don’t think mafia are inclined to go after traitor as doggedly as Jaiden did. Like, having played with mafia traitor a few times, they are very hard to catch, and usually end up as some end game deep wolf that people just can’t find. That’s usually how it goes from my experience. I don’t think as scum, Jaiden would be treating Zorvo in the way that she did. Or even if the scum plan was to just bus Zorvo from the start, I think Jaiden would have at least gone the full way with it, which she didn’t.

That stuff outweighed my intial doubts that I had D1 and like… once I think someone is town, they almost become a blindspot for me lol

I’ll try to do a re-read though