Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

@Arctic

yeah that’s fine, my reasons to think I may have been wrong aren’t actually that great, but because of what I said in my last post it’s enough to get me to want to look elsewhere though at least temporarily

I can look elsewhere but my vote is staying. Ill do more when im free, since rn I can only be on for a tiny bit.

@Arctic

I should probably talk about windy

Agree with this post FTR.

@Caitlin

Actually meh I won’t need to unvote I can just vote Luka instead

Calls post townie
Ignore cores core lements
Still hasnt responded to my read on her
still hasnt responded to accusations about why her read is false
Proceeds to vote me
You cannot tell me this is town

@Garfooled

1. Guava just wants me to be scum, and it shows because they had other points on me earlier but now they’re just making their argument to be “it’s because Caitlin isn’t scum” because they forgot. Because they’re not actually scum hunting

So you think they’re good, I presume?

@Caitlin

This is just a more wordy version of when I called Windy town for making enemies

No lol.

@guavagudetama

I think this is the same conversation I had with Luka

Why do me and cait have the same reads except on eachother but cait is so obviously scum

[Luka]

If cait is townie ftr actively ignoring me and all of my posts, while at the same time calling others out on responding to selective things is playing a poor town game. Cait is either silly town from my pov or evil, and its borderline disrespectful to call them the former.
Im going to ignore this for a bit though and look into others; spec Psyx rn since I think they’re my top scum read / lean aside from cait.

[Luka]

Can you elaborate on your Psyx town in specific? Its something I personally disagree with.

[WindwardAway]

@guavagudetama

@WindwardAway

Whats up with the Garfooled wagon?

I don’t trust their Caitlin vote, because I think they’re just sheeping Arctic because they know Arctic is wrong
None of their posts strike me as towny, I don’t like they way they self meta and then project their own meta onto Caitlin
It all just feels in-bad-faith

Valid take, I’ve been sort of following that discussion to see where it leads

[Caitlin]

@Luka

If cait is townie ftr actively ignoring me and all of my posts, while at the same time calling others out on responding to selective things is playing a poor town game. Cait is either silly town from my pov or evil, and its borderline disrespectful to call them the former.

Sorry that I’m not perfect /shrug

I feel buried af

If I try to reply to that I shut down and then you get 0 posts from me. Why am I the one that needs to reply anyway? You already locked me in as scum. Literally what good does it do? It’s not like you need to convince me that I am mafia, I already know that I’m not

[WindwardAway]

@Arctic

@WindwardAway

If I were town, I would post a lot more

oh also, if this were true, I very much doubt she would actually post this as a wolf while she is lowposting lol (it’s not true though)

I posted it for the Big Funny

But yeah Arctic is right, I highpost as both alignments and the only think slanking is indicative of for me is probably multitabling tbh

[Arctic]

okay well this kinda makes sense

I was going to vote you but idk

I could still explain why I suspect you if that would be useful to anyone

[Arctic]

@Caitlin

@Arctic

I feel like me/luka/caitlin have a current dynamic that is going to be pretty damaging if the three of us are villagers. like, except for me and luka to each other, everyone in this group feels like the others should be reading them better than they are. and it’s kind of causing a vicious cycle of omgus. cait thinks i shouldn’t scumread her because i’ve seen her open badly as town. luka thinks cait shouldn’t scumread him given their experience together. i don’t think cait should be omgus’ing me because i’ve misread her before. and i feel like uh. it might be useful to take a step back at this point. it’s pretty clear that there isn’t going to be more than one wolf in this group anyway (although to you guys I guess you might think me and luka could be w/w, though I know that to be false) so I would suggest that all of us try and look elsewhere at least temporarily because I feel like none of us are likely to be reading the others objectively given how this has progressed

Townie post

How does one unvote

@Caitlin

Actually meh I won’t need to unvote I can just vote Luka instead

VOTE: Luka

facepalm

[Arctic]

and how does it feel different to wolf lol

so far I’ve just been ignoring him because I usually wolfread him regardless of his alignment in long form (but I’m actually pretty good at reading him in turbos) and I did ML him d1 in my last game here so uh I kind of want to not do that again out of principle. but I want to know what you think he’s done here that he doesn’t do as a wolf?

[Caitlin]

Since Luka being like this does feel a bit townie… sigh

But Idk who else to vote :/

[Caitlin]

Windy was my third suspect but even tho it’s Arctic seeing it I’m glad someone saw the same on Windy that I saw early game when I didn’t sus Windy and now I feel like I was just right earlier on town!Windy

[Caitlin]

VOTE: lol

Gut

[Caitlin]

Also I called Arctic townie, not you Luka

So I don’t see what’s so sus abt my progression there

I say Arctic sus 1, you sus 2, next call Arctic town. One can only assume that I would next vote you lol

[Psyx]

@Arctic

I feel like me/luka/caitlin have a current dynamic that is going to be pretty damaging if the three of us are villagers. like, except for me and luka to each other, everyone in this group feels like the others should be reading them better than they are. and it’s kind of causing a vicious cycle of omgus. cait thinks i shouldn’t scumread her because i’ve seen her open badly as town. luka thinks cait shouldn’t scumread him given their experience together. i don’t think cait should be omgus’ing me because i’ve misread her before. and i feel like uh. it might be useful to take a step back at this point. it’s pretty clear that there isn’t going to be more than one wolf in this group anyway (although to you guys I guess you might think me and luka could be w/w, though I know that to be false) so I would suggest that all of us try and look elsewhere at least temporarily because I feel like none of us are likely to be reading the others objectively given how this has progressed

This post is radiating holy townie light and I really don’t want to entertain a world where this is wolf (overused plot twists be damned).

Tone aside, I like how Arctic is looking at the big picture and consider the parallels between Cait vs Arctic and Cait vs Luka.

[Arctic]

i have two main issues with guava this game

the first issue, and one more likely to be wrong, is that their reasons to push people feel very surface level - especially his reason for pushing windy for not explaining her votes. it… kind of boils down to policy when you think about it, but the fact he’s gone this far with it may mean it’s arguably towny, and i’m more inclined to think that this point means nothing especially because i wrongly suspected guava in the last game we played together for suspecting people for surface level reasons. it still feels wrong but i can’t exactly say it’s condemning given i’ve seen him do it before

the second issue is that i don’t think their mindset with voting people who haven’t towntold (garfooled) really tracks with how they’re handling caitlin. guava’s early posts about caitlin were defending them from mine and others accusations relating to her posts early in the game, but this posting read like more of an attempt to shut down people scumreading caitlin than townread her (and guava confirmed this himself by answering that he only townreads caitlin because he thinks garfooled is a wolf). now the issue i have with this is that i cannot understand why he has an issue with people voting caitlin, who he doesn’t actually townread, when his justification for voting garfooled early on was that garfooled hadn’t towntold yet. he clearly thinks it’s fine to vote people who aren’t towny early, even if they aren’t actively wolfy, so i don’t understand why he takes issue with garfooled voting caitlin. and, contrary to what psyx said, i feel this whole thing is more likely to come from TMI that caitlin is town and using it to push garfooled. i also disagree with the consensus take that guava’s defence of caitlin was towny, but i have an inherent bias against posts which shut down other peoples reads without explaining why that player is actually the opposite alignment, which is what guava did, and tracking his caitlin townread it really does just seem to be “garfooled is pushing them” which just feels wrong to me at this point of the game

i was going to vote him but like i said in paragraph 1 i kind of feel like the way he’s handling his read on wind feels like his towngame so i don’t actually know

[Psyx]

@Zugzwang

May said they’re trying to up their towngame, and clearly explaining their thought processes as they make them is a good way to do that. Also, scum generally have a harder time making a sensible thought process at all.

you are calling may too towny to be town (semi /s)

Uh. Didn’t Arctic say that May wallposting is them regressing, and May acknowledged that they easily make wallposts as wolf?

Unless your argument here is that town!May wants to replicate their wolfgame (instead of the other way around, which is what they were doing before).

[Arctic]

VOTE: guava

Meh
No reason he can’t push the policy angle as a wolf too i guess

[Arctic]

@Psyx

town!May wants to replicate their wolfgame

this wouldn’t even be that surprising

[Luka]

@Caitlin

If I try to reply to that I shut down and then you get 0 posts from me. Why am I the one that needs to reply anyway? You already locked me in as scum. Literally what good does it do? It’s not like you need to convince me that I am mafia, I already know that I’m not

This is not townie thinking ftr. Its not particularly scummy thinking either its just- weird.
I have not locked you in as scum, im saying youre being scummy af. This can be changed; you just need to start acting otwnie(which youre not)
Its your job to reply since youre actively pushing me. I apologize youre feeling burried but I dont really know how I can fix that. This argument also applies to me though; its actively frustrating when somebody pushes me and doesn’t respond to my arguments as to why im good. its not my job to convince you youre mafia, its your job to convince me that youre not. Somewhat feels LAMIST(thank you for giving me this term. I will now misuse it at every possible moment.)

[Luka]

@Caitlin

So I don’t see what’s so sus abt my progression there

I dont like the read on me thats kinda it. I also feel like the read on arctic feels weak. Its stemmed from early game but imo they’ve done enough townie things to ignore early game reads on the slot.