Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Psyx]

And reasons too, please?

[Psyx]

Better yet, can everyone (except Zugz since they already provided it in #2658) share their readlist + reasons?

[WindwardAway]

@Arctic

@May

Literally everybody in this game has been someone’s top town at some point

i disagree? who has had wind, garfooled, lol, luka as their top town?

Caitlin had me in top town but she ded lol

[Arctic]

zug

@Arctic

I disagree, I think he’s my top town and I’m confused as to how people don’t see what I’m seeing

• The way he handled pressure (specifically from May and Abbi, read as though he’s genuinely trying to gauge the alignments of those suspecting him rather than trying to defend himself)
• The push on Psyx for the wording was mega towny and felt believable given how long he kept it up for
• Being hesitant to vote guava (a villager) despite the only other alternative at eod being himself
• Handling of Garfooled today wrt the slip
• The read on lol/gar being w/w for the pfp change thing (lmao)

This:

@Zugzwang

ok atp I can’t ask more without outing it, and Abbi has seemed to answer “no she doesn’t”

so
Psyx is probably town for saying “I had a lightbulb moment”. It’s not wording that comes naturally unless you either:

a) use it frequently (she doesn’t)
or
b) actually had a lightbulb moment (and are therefore town)

I initially said it would be scummy to not have said it, so that she wouldn’t lie about not doing it.

@Zugzwang

ok I have went through Abbi’s ISO writing the wolfcase… and in the process started TRing her

I also just townread the random stream of consciousness / insane posting they’ve done several times this game, and I’m not sure they would be comfortable doing this as well as openwolfing in what they’re claiming would be their first wolf rand in 3 years

wind

@Arctic

i still think they are town but it’s not something i can really explain other than what i said about her on day 1 still holding true

it applies less now since they milked the cred for it today in the world where they are a wolf but i don’t think wind is the sort of player to take this angle as mafia, i’m much more used to them having slower starts as town and being eager to make an impression as a wolf and establish themselves and i don’t know how comfortable she’d be sitting back in her own world like that as mafia

so my read is too esoteric/meta based to actually be sheepable and i can’t convince you to not vote her because i haven’t played in a while so i could be wrong but i won’t be voting her

@Arctic

i mean the non-meta reasons extend to… i think the way she’s handled her vote in a way that appears blatantly OMGUS’ey shows that she doesn’t really care how she comes across, the way she voted zug right after talking to him and then may when she started interrogating her feels like she doesn’t have anything to hide

and i just said non-meta but
when i’ve found her as a wolf before she didn’t omgus me or anything she didn’t really know how to respond, but she took more of a justification approach rather than snapping back

garfooled

@Arctic

my wolfcase for garfooled is that he just keeps crying instead of doing anything and we should kill them before the end of the game anyway (as well as them being the lowest on cait’s readlist excluding people i think are always town)

(hypocritical I know, but this is more a reason to kill him than him being a wolf, and I’m not saying you shouldn’t kill me either)

may

Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

your reason for stopped the garfooled fos: garfooled’s reaction to your push: which does not feel like what you described at all And then you asked them a question, to which they gave what you told me was the wrong answer: On a scale of 1-10, nya, how confident would you say you’re trying to seem in thread, nya, and on the same scale, how confident would you say you actually are right nyaow~? You even admit that their reaction was not the towny outcome in the last post. so I really…

Stratagem-15 FM - Day 2 (9/11)

I don’t Garfooled’s only towny posts were at the start, ironically, when you suspected him, and after that he did nothing towny and you just stopped wolfreading him which is why I’m suspicious of this. I don’t know what he could have posted that made you stop wolfreading him. It feels like you just forgot about pushing him because you didn’t actually care about pushing him. I can’t really see this any other way when you admitted that his reaction to you was bad at the time and yet here you sa…

luka is a meta case after reading a wolf game that finished recently and they sound completely different to this game where they have been visibly struggling a lot more and have more emotion compared to sounding like a robot

i don’t really have reasons for you or abigail you’re just kinda there because poe

[WindwardAway]

Haven’t back read the last 185 posts FYI but I won’t be around for eod

[WindwardAway]

I’m not sold on the garfooled take tbh, debating whether to just unvote and let you guys kill me

[Arctic]

u could vote May cuz i’m also down to kill them

[WindwardAway]

I think they’re tonally sort of towny but haven’t done anything overwhelmingly towny, and their actions haven’t really been towny

Still hedging my read on Gar, yes

Idc

[WindwardAway]

Would you rather kill May than Gar?

[Arctic]

idk
i’d rather kill either of them over you or zug

[Luka]

@Arctic

luka is a meta case after reading a wolf game that finished recently and they sound completely different to this game where they have been visibly struggling a lot more and have more emotion compared to sounding like a robot

I have no emotion, I am a robot

[Luka]

bee bop beep boop

[lol]

will be doing a big turbo 1 hour before EoD so you know damn well my ass won’t be here have fun fighting eachother or getting along whichever one it is

[Arctic]

i would be playing in that if i didnt have to worry about this stupid game

[WindwardAway]

Turbo sounds more fun, don’t have to think so hard

[WindwardAway]

I’m still not 100% convinced on zug but I’ll honor the veto because I don’t think he’s undebatably scummy, just in my personal PoE for reasons

I’ll stick with Gar for now because wagons are tied, I’d be OK with moving to May if there’s interest but I kinda feel like it’s only the two of us interested in a May wagon so that’s not great for me

[WindwardAway]

I mean idk if I’d want to die trying to push May over, I’m not that hellbent on it

[Zugzwang]

fwiw i’m reading may’s iso rn

[WindwardAway]

I would honestly have stronger reads if I devoted more time to this game, but I don’t have the motivation this game, idk why

[WindwardAway]

I mean I’ve had just enough motivation to stick with the PR cover plan and do some isoing and solving, and realtiming, but I know I haven’t done as much as I usually do and I don’t really feel like I need to.