Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[WindwardAway]

Also, does Garfooled usually hold onto their reads for long? Like do they make reads and not move them around too much, or does their readlist shift a lot when they’re town and solving? Because Caitlin has been Garfooled’s primary push all day and they’re the only one still voting her.

[PrincessAbigail]

@Psyx

My hot take is a wolf in Luka/May/Arctic. There is a curious trend in my D1 reads where my gut is right on a wolf and completely wrong on another.

Intresting why?

[PrincessAbigail]

@Psyx

You think she won’t mason with you even if she’s TR-ing you? Why tho?

She’s anti masonry she won’t do it period and I’m well aware of that

So I ask her to troll mainly lol.

[PrincessAbigail]

@Psyx

Humor me on this, but can you share at least one thing (behaviour, action, something they said, etc) about each of these people that bothered you/you didn’t like/you didn’t understand?

Every person in this entire game?

[Zugzwang]

psure they meat the people you put in your town core

[Zugzwang]

@Zugzwang

meat

*meant

[PrincessAbigail]

@WindwardAway

I didn’t think you were scummy to begin with, actually, but I was considering that Abbi was likely right about the votes on Caitlin. That if Caitlin isn’t scum, one of the three voters could be. And I’m pretty sure Arctic is town, so that left Garfooled and you. I explained my read on Garfooled earlier but I withheld my read on you and moved my vote there as a subtle indication that I was considering Abbi’s theory and also reevaluating you.

TBH I want my tell to be right but I’m struggling to see a wolf in those 4 at all

[Psyx]

Okay, after double-checking Cait’s towngame in Mountainous Arson, I feel confident that she’s town. I’ve observed that she’s more of a “wolfhunter” than a “townhunter”, and she tends to comment on how so-and-so/xyz post is sus esp during D1.

The way she reacts to Arctic & Luka in #391, #674, #677 — shoots back but doesn’t overexplain — feels as if she’s standing on solid ground (and not shifty/slimy in a way a wolf subconsciously does while finding their footing to gain better thread position/look better).

“Psyx, what do you mean by shift/slimy and how can you tell?” you might ask.

Well, if what Abbi mentioned earlier is correct, then Cait is the same type of player as me: someone who dislikes wolfing and prefers to play as vanilla townie.

This type of player tends to be super confident as town, but struggle to display the same boldness as wolf because they’re keenly aware that they’re “guilty”. Hence, these feelings of “guilt” are manifested when they are sussed — they try to “convince” the other person in a way where they’re actually trying to convince themselves.

I’m not picking up any of this in Cait’s ISO. Here she’s just blunt/snarky, brushes off the other person (in a “are-you-for-real” kind of way), and is more concerned about the other person than she is about herself/how people are seeing her.

I also like how she doesn’t seem to be hung-up on the people sussing her. I think wolf!Cait would ISO Arctic or Luka to get more ammunition/shield against them, instead of continuing making reads and commenting on other non-Abbi people.

[Psyx]

@PrincessAbigail

Intresting why?

They’re the three most widely townread people from what I see.

@PrincessAbigail

Every person in this entire game?

Nono, just those 6 people in your towncore.

[Zugzwang]

Psyx medium town for this

unless she’s making the whole thing up (which I doubt), she very much fit in her town confidence when I was pushing her

[Luka]

Two very important questions
A: What is medium town comapred to anything else
B: What is the meaning of life

[Zugzwang]

my tiers are:

locktown
strong town
medium town
lean town
light town

slightly lower tr than May and you

[Luka]

oh my tiers are
Town
Lean town

[Luka]

Im replying to this message since ths is around where I left off iirc
If i missed anything then oh well

[Arctic]

@guavagudetama

Oh gagged I’m top wagon

[Luka]

@Garfooled

I don’t see this, what about it feels genuine to you?

Dont know, I think openings are mostly based on vibes. They do genuinly feel excited to rand town, and I would too after a few wolf flips in a row. If I did get wolf opening would probably feel dis-ingenuine

@Garfooled

(keeping this in to remind myself so I don’t tunnelvision)

Townie, dont think a wolf would say thos. Woof woof.

@Garfooled

Could you elaborate on this?

@May

being a wolf, I had to just imitate what I’d always been doing

@Garfooled

Why didn’t you want to mason Caitlin this game?

Abbi never said this. Im fairly certain they always want to mason cait.

@Garfooled

Do you think Luka is the type to stay consistent as scum?

(I am the type. Obviously not the best of my self meta but Abbis seen my scum games, everything is methodical and organized. This is self meta tho so dont trust it to much.

@Garfooled

I’ll keep this in mind as I keep reading as well, this entire post actually

Town but fakable.

@Garfooled

Does this seem overly self-aware?

More seems needless. Dont know what it adds. I missed this statement all together; nice pointing it out <3.

@Garfooled

Man… Unless Caitlin and Abigail are partnered, Abigail is proving to be towny as heck

They are never paired here. I refuse.

@Garfooled

It’s not even that though
It’s a joke

Town; dont think wolf would correct me here. Once again fakable tho.

@Garfooled

Would you consider that natural progression or faking it?

Depends. Not sure what exactly the reads are.

@Garfooled

I would say the more votes I get, the less I would feel motivated to read back and progress in the game

Kinda wolfy post? Generally detering votes from them by threatening to not try. Despite this though, it feels genuine here? I dont know how a post can be both wolfy and towny but garfooled manages it.

@PrincessAbigail

Town can hedge too but they do it much less often cause they don’t care.

can I know what hedging means btw

[Luka]

@PrincessAbigail

Haven’t been feeling as fluffy or into it this game.

There’s some noivern art if that brightens your day.

[WindwardAway]

@PrincessAbigail

TBH I want my tell to be right but I’m struggling to see a wolf in those 4 at all

Yeah, see, this is also my problem
Plus the fact that I’m struggling to really find a wolf at all. I suspect it’s players I have in townlean or null right now but I don’t plan on revealing my cards until tomorrow just in case.

[Caitlin]

Hi

[WindwardAway]

@Psyx

Okay, after double-checking Cait’s towngame in Mountainous Arson, I feel confident that she’s town. I’ve observed that she’s more of a “wolfhunter” than a “townhunter”, and she tends to comment on how so-and-so/xyz post is sus esp during D1.

The way she reacts to Arctic & Luka in #391, #674, #677 — shoots back but doesn’t overexplain — feels as if she’s standing on solid ground (and not shifty/slimy in a way a wolf subconsciously does while finding their footing to gain better thread position/look better).

“Psyx, what do you mean by shift/slimy and how can you tell?” you might ask.

Well, if what Abbi mentioned earlier is correct, then Cait is the same type of player as me: someone who dislikes wolfing and prefers to play as vanilla townie.

This type of player tends to be super confident as town, but struggle to display the same boldness as wolf because they’re keenly aware that they’re “guilty”. Hence, these feelings of “guilt” are manifested when they are sussed — they try to “ convince ” the other person in a way where they’re actually trying to convince themselves.

I’m not picking up any of this in Cait’s ISO. Here she’s just blunt/snarky, brushes off the other person (in a “are-you-for-real” kind of way), and is more concerned about the other person than she is about herself/how people are seeing her.

I also like how she doesn’t seem to be hung-up on the people sussing her. I think wolf!Cait would ISO Arctic or Luka to get more ammunition/shield against them, instead of continuing making reads and commenting on other non-Abbi people.

I really like this explanation